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[Alias]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

~ $850 shipped for a 245/35/19 & 275/35/19 setup.

http://www.performanceplustire.com/p...678#prodAnchor

Would 255/35/19 & 275/35/19 work?

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by Alias

Would 255/35/19 & 275/35/19 work?

Yes, those sizes will work.

That's just about max rubber on the stock wheels. (front & rear OEM 19's)

[isugoo]

Originally Posted by MrHarris

I would say Bridgestone RE-11's for 19".

But he is looking for "budget" tires. I dont think RE-11 is considered as budget tires unless we're in Ferrari chat.

[py0413]

does the Vredestien make any stock m3 18" size?
i don't see 265/40/18
but there is 275/35/18 i wonder if those can be used w/out problem

[MrHarris]

Originally Posted by isugoo

But he is looking for "budget" tires. I dont think RE-11 is considered as budget tires unless we're in Ferrari chat.

Everyone was saying INVO's were a good budget tire compared to the PS2's. The RE-11's are surprisingly cheaper than the INVO's unless I got really ripped off.

[MrHarris]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Yes, those sizes will work.

That's just about max rubber on the stock wheels. (front & rear OEM 19's)

You can put up to 285's in the rear on the stock tires.

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by py0413

does the Vredestien make any stock m3 18" size?
i don't see 265/40/18
but there is 275/35/18 i wonder if those can be used w/out problem

Technically speaking, the 275/35/18 tire size will work. But the rolling diameter of that tire size is a little too small IMO. (25.6" vs. 26.3" stock)

That's nearly 3/4 of an inch smaller than stock, and your ride comfort will suffer as a result. And since better ride quality (due to a taller sidewall) is one of the key benefits of going with 18's in the first place...you don't want to erase that advantage by choosing a tire that much smaller than stock.

The 275/40/18 (26.6") is a more suitable suitable upgrade to the stock 265/40/18. And it will offer excellent ride comfort and you won't suffer any negative effects.

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by MrHarris

You can put up to 285's in the rear on the stock tires.

Yes, technically you can use 285's on the rear OEM wheels, but it's overkill. The difference between the tire section width, and wheel width is huge, so there is no real advantage to be gained by oversizing the tire to that degree.

The performance of the tire & wheel combo will suffer, as the tire has no solid structure to directly support it. The tire bead is no longer squared up to the wheel it is mounted to. The sidewall of the tire itself is now burdened with controlling the lateral movement. And since the tire width is so much wider that then wheel width, this leads to sloppy performance control. In other words, the tire has a difficult time maintaining it's core shape.

It's like building the frame of your house using 1x4 supports...instead of 2x4 supports. The underlying structure is just not there to build a solid foundation.

That's why you have to be careful when choosing a specific tire size for a specific wheel diameter. There is a safe margin for error in regard to tire and wheels fitments, but you shouldn't push the boundaries too far.

Once you're on the ragged edges of tire and wheel fitment specs, you will pay a price.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

The German magazine "POWERCAR" tested a number of high-performance tire brands.

Here are the results of that test:

#1: Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta - 244 points

#2: Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric - 243 points

#3 (tie): Continental ContiSportContact 3 - 242 points

#3 (tie): Pirelli P-Zero Nero - 242 points

#5: Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 - 225 points

#6: Dunlop SP Sportmaxx - 220 points

#7: Hankook Ventus S1 Evo - 215 points

#8: Toyo Proxes T1 R - 205 points

The S1 Evo is not the V12 Evo.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by MojorisinM3

Nice, good price! So how do you like them? How would you rate them vs. the PS2? I'm stocked I can keep my 19's vs. go with the 18's

I have no issues with them whatsoever. I think the tread design looks great, and they grip better than the PS2s did.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by MojorisinM3

is it these? Ventus V12 evo K110 ? wasnt sure about the K110...

I believe all Ventus V12 Evos are K110. The K110 is just a shorter way of referring to their tires:

V12 Evo = K110
S1 Evo = K107
V4 ES = H105

[SoCalM3Mang]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Yes, those sizes will work.

That's just about max rubber on the stock wheels. (front & rear OEM 19's)

Hey Bro!

Thank you for your wisdom and advice in many topics on these boards.

I have currently stock 19's PS2's with spacers(hub centric).

15' Front(245/35 R19)
12' Rear(265/35 R19)

I'm also lowered with Eibach Springs for the E-93. There is more room than the H&R's.

My fronts have a lot of tread left and my rears are gone. I'm trying to decide what to do ie..replace all of em now or just replace the rears. I'm definitely going to buy the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta.

What size should I buy assuming I want to keep the same aggressive look of the spacers? I'm afraid the 275-35-19 will rub with my spacer set up.

What are your thoughts? I appreciate your advice and input.

Thanks.

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by SoCalM3Mang

Hey Bro!

Thank you for your wisdom and advice in many topics on these boards.

I have currently stock 19's PS2's with spacers(hub centric).

15' Front(245/35 R19)
12' Rear(265/35 R19)

I'm also lowered with Eibach Springs for the E-93. There is more room than the H&R's.

My fronts have a lot of tread left and my rears are gone. I'm trying to decide what to do ie..replace all of em now or just replace the rears. I'm definitely going to buy the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta.

What size should I buy assuming I want to keep the same aggressive look of the spacers? I'm afraid the 275-35-19 will rub with my spacer set up.

What are your thoughts? I appreciate your advice and input.

Thanks.

Hi,

I would recommend that you change out all four tires at the same time.

I have never advocated the use of mixing tire brands on the front and rear axles of the same car. Different tire brands, use different rubber compounds. (not to mention tire tread design and sidewall construction)

So I'd rather not end up with two sets of tires that have wet & dry traction performance differences on the same car.

Some will say it doesn't matter, but I'm not going to tempt fate. (especially with a 414 HP car)

Besides, a complete set of four Vredestein tires is less than $900 shipped to your door.

You can beat that with a stick.

I would stick with the 245/35/19 tire size in the front, since the Eibach lowering springs for the vert are actually the same drop as the H&R lowering springs in the front. (1")

The Eibach lowering springs for the E92 Coupe and E90 Sedan both drop the front of the car by 0.8".

As for the rear tires...

The 275/35/19 tire size will work, even with the Eibach lowering springs and 12mm spacers.

You should not have any rubbing issues with that specific combination.


BTW: Thanks for the kind words.

I often wonder if anyone is actually listening.

[808MGuy]

The Ultracs tread pattern remind me of the Yokohama Parada Spec 2 tires I had on a previous car. I really liked those tires as they had great grip, good wet performance, and were pretty cheap compared to other name brand tires. The only thing I didn't like about them is that they were loud as hell once you got about 10k miles on them.

LMB, can you comment on the noise for the Ultracs?

[SoCalM3Mang]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Hi,

I would recommend that you change out all four tires at the same time.

I have never advocated the use of mixing tire brands on the front and rear axles of the same car. Different tire brands, use different rubber compounds. (not to mention tire tread design and sidewall construction)

So I'd rather not end up with two sets of tires that have wet & dry traction performance differences on the same car.

Some will say it doesn't matter, but I'm not going to tempt fate. (especially with a 414 HP car)

Besides, a complete set of four Vredestein tires is less than $900 shipped to your door.

Thank you and I hear you LOUD AND CLEAR!

As for the rear tires...

The 275/35/19 tire size will work, even with the Eibach lowering springs and 12mm spacers.

You should not have any rubbing issues with that specific combination.

Thanks again. Are you OK with the spacers and this off-set? How much different will it look versus my current look of 265-35-19?

I'm assuming it will be even wider and more aggressive?

Also on another topic-what would be your recommendation for new 19' rims assuming I wanted:

***Lighter or equal weight to stock OEM 19's
***Black-Concave-Aggressive similar to my current murdered look



BTW: Thanks for the kind words.

I often wonder if anyone is actually listening.

Plenty of "sentients" on these boards absorbing your knowledge. But it's 2009 and giving thanks isn't big on many people's agenda. JMO.

If you're ever in So Cal, please hit me up. I work in the "industry" too!

Enjoy your weekend!

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by 808MGuy

The Ultracs tread pattern remind me of the Yokohama Parada Spec 2 tires I had on a previous car. I really liked those tires as they had great grip, good wet performance, and were pretty cheap compared to other name brand tires. The only thing I didn't like about them is that they were loud as hell once you got about 10k miles on them.

LMB, can you comment on the noise for the Ultracs?

The Ultrac Sessantas are not any noisier than say the PS2's on the highway.

Now on grooved pavement, they are just a little louder than PS2's...but not by much.

I will tell you this...the ride comfort is fantastic. (a very rare thing in high performance tires)

The Vreds are also smooth as silk at high speeds.

[SenorFunkyPants]

If only they made them in a stock 19" rear size!

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

If only they made them in a stock 19" rear size!

The section width of the 275/35/19 Sesantas is only slightly wider than the stock 265/35/19 OE tire size. (less than half an inch)

Guys think it's a HUGE difference in size between the two...but it's not.

The reality is that a 265/35/19 & 275/35/19 are pretty close. (width and diameter wise)

The big difference in width comes when you move up to a 285/30/19 or 285/35/19.

The small difference in going from 265 to 275 shouldn't stop you from getting these tires.

I guarantee that you won't go back to PS2's once you purchase you first set of Vredestein Sessantas.

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by SoCalM3Mang

Plenty of "sentients" on these boards absorbing your knowledge. But it's 2009 and giving thanks isn't big on many people's agenda. JMO.

If you're ever in So Cal, please hit me up. I work in the "industry" too!

Enjoy your weekend!

I'll send you a recommendation on aftermarket wheels later today.

[Ben335]

www.groupawheels.com is where I got mine from. The per tire prices were a bit more but the shipping more than made up for it.

[foosh]

Originally Posted by Ben335

www.groupawheels.com is where I got mine from. The per tire prices were a bit more but the shipping more than made up for it.

Ditto, I received very good service from GroupAWheels. It's the best price on Vreds (factoring in shipping) that I was able to find on the east coast.

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Umm...I hate to sound like a broken record here, but the Vredestein Ultrac Sesantas are the best low priced high-performance tires on the market. Period.



If the OP wants a more reasonably price version of the PS2's, then all he has to do is buy a set of Vredesteins. (and his problem is solved)

For those who have no idea of what Vredestein tires offer...

Excellent dry grip (virtually equal to PS2's)
Excellent wet grip (better than PS2's)
Excellent turn in performance (stiffer sidewalls than PS2's)
Excellent Tread wear rating (last longer than PS2's)
Better value for the money (cost about half as much as PS2's)

Give these tires a shot, and it's highly unlikely you will ever buy PS2's again. (not kidding)

I have been the biggest fan of these tires since I became aware of them through a distributor about three years ago. They don't advertise much, so many guys have never heard of them.

I am a Vredestien convert, who was a previous PS2 disciple. The two tires are very similar in performance, but I give the edge (all things considered) the Vreds. Can't say enough good things about these tires. They're the best.

I used to run Vs way back when CN36s were popular. My questions to you are:

1. How do they ride?
2. Are they quiet?
3. How much do they weigh?
4. Do they stay balanced?

Goodyears have outstanding performance, but I won't run them because they ride poorly and won't stay in balance. Are the Vreds comparable to the PS2s in day to day use?

EDIT:
Sorry, didn't see the later posts. Vreds look to be a good alternative to the PS2s.