S65 engine sabotaged!!!!

[ItsGary]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

Thank you for the diagram. This is most useful. So basically the key in the pic shows it is in the return pump? Any ideas on how it found its way in there? It would seem as though it should be stuck in the main pump if the key was dropped from the oil filler up top into the main pan, right?

Would you happen to have had the rod bearings done on this car?

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by ItsGary

Would you happen to have had the rod bearings done on this car?

Thats a good question Gary. Can't see how the key got there without opening the sump. On the other hand 20k km seem extremely young for RBs...

Regardless has to be done on purpose. What a fokking d@ck in action here.

[Transfer]

lol wut
This is bizarre.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

I would have hoped a mesh would catch what's poured in at least.

if you open the oil cap, its just open. there isn't a screen in there. someone did this intentionally. there is just no way this was an accident. it doesn't even make sense how the key was still lodged in there. was it jammed in? if the motor was installed, it would have been upside down. it doesn't look like there is anything to keep it there unless it was jammed into the screen.

[Mvy]

Originally Posted by InnerBlueSkies

Working on a key lead

How in the world did you find this? You guys are amazing!

To the OP, im really sorry. This is terrible and very odd.

The one thing you have going for you is it was only serviced at the dealer. The logical conclusion is it happened there. I do not know the laws of your country but in the US a lawyer would come into play and begin a dance with the dealership, hopefully resulting in the end with you getting a new engine or even better, a new car. If thats the way it works in the Middle East, lawyer up is my advice. This is too egregious to let go.

[Dpc2u]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

Thank you for the diagram. This is most useful. So basically the key in the pic shows it is in the return pump? Any ideas on how it found its way in there? It would seem as though it should be stuck in the main pump if the key was dropped from the oil filler up top into the main pan, right?

If you look at these pictures, you can see where the oil fill cap location is directly above the camshaft chain drives. If dropped in from there, the key would have fairly easily worked it's way down to the front sump of the pan. If you look at the pan, there is a recess where the return pump pickup fits into the lowest point of the sump. Once the key worked it's way into that recess, the suction would easily suck the key into the pickup tube. No real question in my mind that this was deliberate.

[smyles]

Can a key or any hard object of that size even make it all the way to the pan thru oil passages, etc.?

I've seen a very old story of a beer can left in a S class door at the factory, may be it's one of those?

[dparm]

Originally Posted by smyles

Can a key or any hard object of that size even make it all the way to the pan thru oil passages, etc.?

I've seen a very old story of a beer can left in a S class door at the factory, may be it's one of those?

It doesn't have to go through the oil galleries. Look at the photos posted in this thread, it's an almost straight shot down the oil cap into the pan.

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by ItsGary

Would you happen to have had the rod bearings done on this car?

Nope. Absolutely nothing done on this car but regular oil and filter changes. 20,000 kms. It's practically brand new

[kimiraikkonen]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

Nope. Absolutely nothing done on this car but regular oil and filter changes. 20,000 kms. It's practically brand new

OP - If it was sabotaged, the entry point came from the bottom and not the top. Most likely through your oil sensor hole. So I would look to whoever had access to your car whenever you brought it into service, whether it was for an oil change, tire change, etc. Essentially, anyone that would have access to the car when it was on a lift. They would have quickly undone the oil sensor, pushed the wrapper/key up the hole...and then put the sensor back in. So the answer is sitting in front of you.

If it came through the top, you would have seen more mangling on the key and wrapper in order for it to work its way through the cam gears. Also, interesting to see there was little scoring or scorching on your camshafts and connecting rods. In case of severe oil starvation, one would expect to see a bit more damage in the engine as shown.

[bvrider1]

So maybe it was already there when it was assembled at the plant? A disgruntled employee leaving his mark?

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen

OP - If it was sabotaged, the entry point came from the bottom and not the top. Most likely through your oil sensor hole. So I would look to whoever had access to your car whenever you brought it into service, whether it was for an oil change, tire change, etc. Essentially, anyone that would have access to the car when it was on a lift. They would have quickly undone the oil sensor, pushed the wrapper/key up the hole...and then put the sensor back in. So the answer is sitting in front of you.

If it came through the top, you would have seen more mangling on the key and wrapper in order for it to work its way through the cam gears. Also, interesting to see there was little scoring or scorching on your camshafts and connecting rods. In case of severe oil starvation, one would expect to see a bit more damage in the engine as shown.

[kimiraikkonen]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

This is not your first attempt at trolling me. Get off my thread or be reported. Either you're a hater or a racist. I'm asking for advice so if you have nothing good to say, shut it

Nobody's trolling you....others on the board had already noticed that you were based in Toronto, yet you stated the car was in the Mid East. My post was before you gave background on your difficulty with importing the car to Canada.

The video link to Persian Stig was a legitimate alternative explanation at the time. I thought you were visiting Canada and driving your car there temporarily while on vacation.

In any event, sorry for your engine loss, but ease up on the chip on your shoulder....No need to escalate everything to the "R" word just because you hear something that you don't like.........especially for someone with an account started just a couple days ago.

[kimiraikkonen]

Originally Posted by bvrider1

So maybe it was already there when it was assembled at the plant? A disgruntled employee leaving his mark?

I doubt it....I doubt a key would look that good after 20km. Not to mention that Fisherman's wrapper....

[Frozen]

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen

OP - If it was sabotaged, the entry point came from the bottom and not the top. Most likely through your oil sensor hole. So I would look to whoever had access to your car whenever you brought it into service, whether it was for an oil change, tire change, etc. Essentially, anyone that would have access to the car when it was on a lift. They would have quickly undone the oil sensor, pushed the wrapper/key up the hole...and then put the sensor back in. So the answer is sitting in front of you.

If it came through the top, you would have seen more mangling on the key and wrapper in order for it to work its way through the cam gears. Also, interesting to see there was little scoring or scorching on your camshafts and connecting rods. In case of severe oil starvation, one would expect to see a bit more damage in the engine as shown.

This.

What are the odds the rod bearings failed and the dealer planted the key and wrapper in there so that BMW is off the hook?

[SAMM3Y]

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen

I doubt it....I doubt a key would look that good after 20km. Not to mention that Fisherman's wrapper....

Yep.. you ever leave dirty engine oil in a milk container or gallon water container? Within a few weeks it'll eat the bottle through..

[kimiraikkonen]

Originally Posted by Frozen

This.

What are the odds the rod bearings failed and the dealer planted the key and wrapper in there so that BMW is off the hook?

Dealer wouldn't be that dumb to do that....if they warranty an engine, BMW corporate pays and the dealer actually gets revenue for doing the warranty work.

Other people could be dumb enough to try that trick in order to get BMW to replace the engine....hence the very lightly worn key and lightly worn wrapper.

OR, if this was truly sabotage, then it's whoever had undercarriage access to the car:
- Owner
- Owner's family
- Owner's household help/butler/driver
- Dealer or 3rd party Mechanic that worked on the car in any capacity (oil change, car service, tires/wheels)

[Siajoon]

Why does your motor look so damn filthy for only having 12k miles on it...

[Ab28]

Originally Posted by Siajoon

Why does your motor look so damn filthy for only having 12k miles on it...

Probably due to being in the middle east.

The sand and dust will make the appearance look 10 years older.

[LuckiSevens]

Originally Posted by Siajoon

Why does your motor look so damn filthy for only having 12k miles on it...

Not seen the abandoned cars of Dubai?

[m3jala]

So if the key is new and the fisherman stuff not dissolved it has to be recent.

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen

Dealer wouldn't be that dumb to do that....if they warranty an engine, BMW corporate pays and the dealer actually gets revenue for doing the warranty work.

Other people could be dumb enough to try that trick in order to get BMW to replace the engine....hence the very lightly worn key and lightly worn wrapper.

OR, if this was truly sabotage, then it's whoever had undercarriage access to the car:
- Owner
- Owner's family
- Owner's household help/butler/driver
- Dealer or 3rd party Mechanic that worked on the car in any capacity (oil change, car service, tires/wheels)

My brother doesn't have private or underground secure parking. So let's say I have an enemy who wanted revenge, they'd have access to my car parked by the street. I still didn't get how they would sneak under the car and plant this via the oil sensor you mentioned. They most definitely couldn't raise it. Please explain.

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by lat77

Probably due to being in the middle east.

The sand and dust will make the appearance look 10 years older.

Absolutely right. The dealer had it parked outside in the sun I'm sure over the last month too. Sand storms and what not get into and underneath the car. It looks filthy indeed. But it's in a desert country