M3 faster than a C6?

[sayemthree]

Originally Posted by gbb357

Actually it's when the driver steps on the gas pedal that makes the car go fast.

really? I have seen a few drivers steps on the gas and drive the car sideways into a conrete wall - ouch!!! ...at least 3 or 4 in a e46 M3 . not very pretty. sorry but it takes more skill than a heavy foot.

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

really? I have seen a few drivers steps on the gas and drive the car sideways into a conrete wall - ouch!!! ...at least 3 or 4 in a e46 M3 . not very pretty. sorry but it takes more skill than a heavy foot.

Really! Did i mention anything about driving skills, i just said how you can make a car go faster by stepping on the gas pedal and i was being sarcastic and kidding around along with you. Thanks for input though.

[spearfisher]

for those of you getting the new M3's soon, head to a local strip and post #'s

any maybe you'll encount a C6 or 2 and we can settle this

[skierman64]

Can I put 300 to 400lbs in the C6 to make the cars weigh the same?

I can outrun C6s in my E36 on a road course. That's where it count's in my opinion.

[Terrance28]

Originally Posted by gbb357

My friend's SS Camaro ran high 11's with stock tires. Other than custom exhaust and headers, i'm not sure what other mods he has done. I'm almost sure he has no SC's or turbos.

He has more done cause with those current mods he cannot get into 11s especially on street tires. Maybe he also has a cam and tune, along with a few other things.

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Can I put 300 to 400lbs in the C6 to make the cars weigh the same?

I can outrun C6s in my E36 on a road course. That's where it count's in my opinion.

Listen: In the context of this note, there is no way an E36 M3 will be anywhere even close to a C6. The fact that your experience shows otherwise is due to either to your driving skills or your modification choices, or both.

Kudos to you, but given roughly equal driving skills with stock vehicles, there'll be E36 doors and headlight glass laying all over the track as the Vettes fly by. The latest M3 and C6 seem to be fairly closely matched, with a minor nod going to the C6 when equipped with the sports package. E36s need not apply.

Bruce

[spearfisher]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Can I put 300 to 400lbs in the C6 to make the cars weigh the same?

I can outrun C6s in my E36 on a road course. That's where it count's in my opinion.

I've never seen that happen at any driving event I've attended, and Statistically I don't see it happening, but if what you state is true, one of the following had to have exist.

1. the C6 driver cannot drive at all and you can very well.
2. your E36 is highly modified.
3. the C6 blew is motor before you passed him.

[V8convert]

I used to have a C5 corvette.

needless to say it blew me away (at the time, also considering what i was driving then also) with its acceleration and torque.

How will the new M3 stack up against the C5. Ive not driven the C6 and would like to know how the new M3 would compare to the C5. Ive driven the 335i and was impressed by its acceleration...but felt it still couldnt catch the C5.

[MShift]

I test drove BOTH today back to back and the C6 feels much faster...Z51 c6.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

Listen: In the context of this note, there is no way an E36 M3 will be anywhere even close to a C6. The fact that your experience shows otherwise is due to either to your driving skills or your modification choices, or both.

Kudos to you, but given roughly equal driving skills with stock vehicles, there'll be E36 doors and headlight glass laying all over the track as the Vettes fly by. The latest M3 and C6 seem to be fairly closely matched, with a minor nod going to the C6 when equipped with the sports package. E36s need not apply.

Bruce

Originally Posted by spearfisher

I've never seen that happen at any driving event I've attended, and Statistically I don't see it happening, but if what you state is true, one of the following had to have exist.

1. the C6 driver cannot drive at all and you can very well.
2. your E36 is highly modified.
3. the C6 blew is motor before you passed him.

I'm not saying that an E36 is faster than a C6 given showroom stock, equal drivers, and equal tires. However, those factors are not usually the case. I run a E36 with only cold air intake and shark injector, it might be +20 hp from stock. I run R-compound tires. No suspension or brake mods. I disagree with Bruce saying a C6 will "blow the doors off" a skillfully driven E36. The road course is the forte of an E36 M3 IMHO. Just to clarify, we're not talking Z06 or ZR1s here.

Spearfisher, I'm talking about BMW driver's schools. I've seen many driver schools and BMW CCA club racing events where the car that should be faster, is the car getting passed. It happens all the time. Last year in a 20 minutes session on the track I passed a Ferrari 348 twice and had caught him again for the potential third pass when the session was ended.

So much of it is driver dependant. We're not talking pro drivers here, we're talking about amateurs out having fun and being sports car enthusiasts.

I have lots of video of me passing "faster" cars, it I get time I'll splice together some shots, but it will be a few weeks.

[MShift]

regardless, the m3 is much more complete. Both as a daily driver and a track car. Its possibly the most versatile car I've driven. Ever.

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by skierman64

I'm not saying that an E36 is faster than a C6 given showroom stock, equal drivers, and equal tires. However, those factors are not usually the case. I run a E36 with only cold air intake and shark injector, it might be +20 hp from stock. I run R-compound tires. No suspension or brake mods. I disagree with Bruce saying a C6 will "blow the doors off" a skillfully driven E36. The road course is the forte of an E36 M3 IMHO. Just to clarify, we're not talking Z06 or ZR1s here...

Look, never mind bragging rights on your driving prowess. Many of us have stories about how we passed something "faster" on track, and nobody cares. I could bore you and others with my riveting testimonial, but why bother? I'm quite sure there are others on this forum who are even faster than I am, unbelieveable as that may sound.

I say the Z51 C6 is four or five seconds per minute faster around any given road course than your 240 HP machine, including the 'Ring, and the 'Ring numbers are right there to back me up on this. The base C6 is probably at least three seconds per minute faster. If this isn't blowing your doors off, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Listen, I loved my own E36 M3 (a '95), including on track, but in the league we're discussing, you'd use it to go get parts.

Bruce

[spearfisher]

Originally Posted by skierman64

I'm not saying that an E36 is faster than a C6 given showroom stock, equal drivers, and equal tires. However, those factors are not usually the case. I run a E36 with only cold air intake and shark injector, it might be +20 hp from stock. I run R-compound tires. No suspension or brake mods. I disagree with Bruce saying a C6 will "blow the doors off" a skillfully driven E36. The road course is the forte of an E36 M3 IMHO. Just to clarify, we're not talking Z06 or ZR1s here.

Spearfisher, I'm talking about BMW driver's schools. I've seen many driver schools and BMW CCA club racing events where the car that should be faster, is the car getting passed. It happens all the time. Last year in a 20 minutes session on the track I passed a Ferrari 348 twice and had caught him again for the potential third pass when the session was ended.

So much of it is driver dependant. We're not talking pro drivers here, we're talking about amateurs out having fun and being sports car enthusiasts.

I have lots of video of me passing "faster" cars, it I get time I'll splice together some shots, but it will be a few weeks.

but remember it's not what the driver is capable of,
it's what the car is capable of, drivers equal, we are comparing vehicles not people

[sayemthree]

Originally Posted by spearfisher

but remember it's not what the driver is capable of,
it's what the car is capable of, drivers equal, we are comparing vehicles not people

yup - and the Vette is NOT capable of hauling 4 people and thier luggage. and the M3 is. so, apples and oranges, and the orange is still just as fast and can make orange juice too, for four!

[skierman64]

My point wasn't to discuss my driving abilities or perhaps lack there of. The point I was making is it doesn't matter if the C6 is faster (it should be, it weighs 400lbs less) if the driver can't extract that performance out of the car.

On the road or on the track, when it comes to cars of close or equal capabilities, it comes down to the faster driver that will make the difference.

Bragging rights of which car the magazines say is faster doesn't mean anything if the driver of the car can't duplicate the results.

[spearfisher]

Originally Posted by skierman64

My point wasn't to discuss my driving abilities or perhaps lack there of. The point I was making is it doesn't matter if the C6 is faster (it should be, it weighs 400lbs less) if the driver can't extract that performance out of the car.

On the road or on the track, when it comes to cars of close or equal capabilities, it comes down to the faster driver that will make the difference.

Bragging rights of which car the magazines say is faster doesn't mean anything if the driver of the car can't duplicate the results.

only good drivers can duplicate, results, but then again a really good driver will beat the mag times, the E46 M3, 335I, and C6 are good examples.

I'm sure a really good driver will extract more out of the E92 also. But the C6 is not as hard as you might think to drive, very easy to track and 1/4 mile.

[Zervos4]

my god are you kiddin me, its a Chevy vs. BMW, thats all that needs to be said, figures aside and all the other BS, Chevyyyy BMW....come on guys

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by Zervos4

my god are you kiddin me, its a Chevy vs. BMW, thats all that needs to be said, figures aside and all the other BS, Chevyyyy BMW....come on guys

Great, just what we need, another badge whore. So are you saying that BMW's are always going to be faster, because it's a BMW? Are you kidding me, you know we're not talking about badges here right. So i guess you think that the M3 is faster or better than the Z06 as well, just because it's only a Chevy. Please read the title again and then reply.

[Zervos4]

obviously you misinterpreted my statement, this whole thread has been about everything from performance numbers to quality, design...etc etc...when someone asks you a general question BMW vs. CHEVY putting all models aside 10 outta 10 BMW will reign as the superior automobile manuafacture, hands down...so feed me the badge whore bs...im dropping all the numbers and going off common sense here..get a grip

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by Zervos4

obviously you misinterpreted my statement, this whole thread has been about everything from performance numbers to quality, design...etc etc...when someone asks you a general question BMW vs. CHEVY putting all models aside 10 outta 10 BMW will reign as the superior automobile manuafacture, hands down...so feed me the badge whore bs...im dropping all the numbers and going off common sense here..get a grip

What common sense are you talking about? A $44k sports car fully loaded vs $54k or $70k if fully loaded and both are almost equal in any performance category, is that the common sense you're talking about. I will agree that BMW's quality is probably more superior than any Chevy model and that the M3 is probably more practical than the Vette as well. But your statement still says that Chevy is inferior because the fact that it's a Chevy, hence you're a badge whore.

[m3lkr]

I have a road test of the 2008 Corvette with 4.0 to 60

[KonigsTiger]

Unbelievably detailed thread! Thanks guys and let us know when you all have a verdict.