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What makes it special. Does it have increased hp and Tq? Whats the name of it so I can look it up? It really looks good.
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It's called "Porsche Design Edition 1". Here's the Porsche web special:
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/cayman-pd/usa.aspx It has no performance upgrades I think (unless the TT wheels can be called so). Best regards, south |
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The purpose of any spring in a car is to simply provide a spring constant and restorative force. It is another matter as to the specifics that are required for a particular design, flat rate, rising rate, falling rate, long travel, short travel, etc. However, that which can be accomplished in the given space constraints, with the least mass and suitable durability is a winner. Just because many low-tech and heavy transport designs utilize leaf springs says ZIP about how good the design can be. You do know that in the Vette the leafs have zero to do with positioning the wheel - it does have a trick multi link aluminum set up for that! Specific advantages of this particular design: -Light weight (one leaf is lighter than two coil springs), partly because the spring is a composite material - pretty high tech! -Lower position of leaf contributes to a lower CoG -Leaf is said to never sag nor wear Last but not least do you thing the Vette could get the lap times and overall handling prowess it gets with a low tech or poor performing suspension? All that being said I wouldn't own one either |
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Swamp, I don't know much about the leaf spring set-up: does a single spring run wheel to wheel, and how well do the clamps isolate vibrations from the other side?
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Thats why I might wait for the DFI version in MY2010. The Cayman is a remarkable car, perfect ergonomics, balance and looks. It just lacks a tad too much torque. I don't like the way it's geared in 6th, because i plan on using it (or the M3) as a Grand Touring car. Weekend trips to tracks and venues for "meet & greets". As it stand now the Cayman S cruises at 80mph @ 3,500rpm's. That might get annoying after 3+ hours of driving. Specially when PAG refuses to but decent audio systems in their sportcars. Porsche has purposely kept the Cayman down because they don't want it encrouching into their 911s territory. The 911 is Iconic and they don't want it's baby brother stepping on it's toes.... even though it can out handle it. My guess is that when they move to DFI technology, they will put more efficiency(mpg) into the Caymans engine instead of performance. Leaving the 911 with the real gains in performance. Though, i've considered buying a Cayman in a few months and just (over the years) upgrade/mod it for more performance! Though, I'd just assume wait for the DFi engine where I think PAG will add about 25 more HP and Torque! (ie: 320hp/276ft-lb tq). And hoping they will refine the stereo and offer more standard features! -Garrett |
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Scott26 has confirmed no CSL. That does not make it true, but it is strong liklihood. Overwhelmingly, among members of the enthusiast community, especially the BMW community, the M3 community, and this forum, the accepted reality is that the E92 M3 CSL will not be sold stateside. |
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09-09-2007, 09:16 AM | #55 | |
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I can't tell you how beneficial it is to have a BMW enthusiast like yourself provide us with objective feed back about the M3. Can't wait for the EVO issue. |
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So now your questionable motives are clear...... but "whatever". No come back desired or needed, either you choose to or you don't, it's a forum. Audi has made improvements, that goes without saying but how does that question the M division ? First. I don't have a "book". Second. Are you sure the steering on the New M3 is numb or is that what you heard/read ? http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82701 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82428 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82627 These are "M DIVISION" consumers who "[B]speak out with our pocket books[B]". Don't forget that I also said Car and Driver the "the objective auto press and journalist" you mentioned. Write whatever you want to in your "book". Just make sure you drive the car first so that you know what you are writing. Don't think that the M5/6 are the only ones sitting on the lots. I can get to at least 3 RS4's and countless AMG models and that's just here in Jersey. How many RS4's did Audi make ? Do you know what the 4 circles on the front of every Audi means ? It represents the 4 flippin' losers(0) that come to the M3 forum to put down a car they haven't driven, seen, smelled, tasted or heard. Peace Monkey ! |
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Bimmer sent two drivers as well with one reporting "Even more important than the balance is the amount of information coming through the steering wheel and the rather firm seat, letting me know exactly what's happening where the rubber meets the road. The steering, in particular is a revelation in feelsomeness." When reading reviews of the E92 M3 you cannot assume all the test cars were the same - they're not. The reviewers rarely mention what EDC, engine map, and Servotronic settings they used. In fact, I would venture to guess that most didn't know what the Servotronic setting was when they were driving. Even those that complained about numbness made no mention of whether the Normal vs. Sport settings had any effect. I also suspect that the suppleness of the suspension is a factor in some of the reviews. If the suspension absorbs harshness without drama, why should the steering wheel report drama? Even if there is numbness (and I doubt it) the reviews to date have consistently noted there is no hint of understeer except when the pushed to the limit. I'll trade off some numbness for neutrality myself.
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Roundel is not owned or controlled by BMW, but certainly they are all BMW fans and have hotlines to BMW NA and as a result you have to assume a little biased. But on the flip side, they know BMWs, specially M3s, and it seems that virtually all of them own an M3 or three. Recent competitive reviews have fairly consistently sent the message "the competition is catching up". Dinan is a sporadic contributor to Roundel but makes a living tuning BMWs so he has an excellent feel for their dynamics. Both reviewers are track junkies.
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One note though: even if the car is confirmed not to come here, you can bet that the CSL card will continue to get played ad nauseum. It happened (and still does) with the e46. Probably did with the E36 too. |
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I couldn't agree more. Roundel should be a bit biased, they do call themselves Roundel. Overall, I think Roudel strikes a fine balance between bias and objectivity given their mission.
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However if you go back and READ, you will find that my stance is and has always been: DRIVE IT YOURSELF AND DECIDE YOURSELF. Then, if you do not like the drive don't buy the car. I can't make it anymore clear then that. IMO your thread is premature. |
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