60-130 Stock motor world record broken.

[Properstyle]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

With this setup, REAL power is about 425 wheel in a heat of the day and 500 wheel in a cool evening. At these power levels, you will see results in the 7.0 to 8.5 second range with a car weighing it at 3700lbs.

I know this setup makes 550-570 on a dynojet but that's a joke. If it really did make that much power on the street, everyone would be doing 6.5's all day long. But it doesnt unless very cold temps at -1,000 DA.

Originally Posted by Longboarder

With this setup, REAL power is about 425 wheel in a heat of the day and 500 wheel in a cool evening. At these power levels, you will see results in the 7.0 to 8.5 second range with a car weighing it at 3700lbs.

I know this setup makes 550-570 on a dynojet but that's a joke. If it really did make that much power on the street, everyone would be doing 6.5's all day long. But it doesnt unless very cold temps at -1,000 DA.

Thankfully making the boost I am even on a hot day in 3k da I can stay in the 6s now. But look forward to some new test when it cools. I'm out of fuel again so we have to make some changes to fuel line size.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Properstyle

Thankfully making the boost I am even on a hot day in 3k da I can stay in the 6s now. But look forward to some new test when it cools. I'm out of fuel again so we have to make some changes to fuel line size.

Any plans to strengthen up the motor? Maybe these S65's can take more power than we all thought....just takes much more enhanced and precise fueling like what u have accomplished.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by ARC550

New to the platform so…
What your sayin is the far varies greatly with the DA.. between 7-8.5 ? Really that much?

Also, I see Dyno's for this kit vary from 530-575

Based on those numbers and curb weight I can see low 8s being standard for that level of power output.

I draggy all my cars through progression and the numbers make sense.


I guess all the faster guys are custom tuning and slapping meth on for that extra sauce !!

A few have even gotten into the 6's with the standard kits, but DA and temps were very low.

High intake temps is the enemy of the SC S65. So using the standard one gallon air to water intercooler system that recirculated the water thru the hot engine bay (20+ year old Mercedes design) is not ideal. For daily driving, this needs an air to air intercooling system and preferably water/meth to futher cool the intake charge. Otherwise yeah warm day 60-130's in the 8's.

[Properstyle]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Any plans to strengthen up the motor? Maybe these S65's can take more power than we all thought....just takes much more enhanced and precise fueling like what u have accomplished.

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Any plans to strengthen up the motor? Maybe these S65's can take more power than we all thought....just takes much more enhanced and precise fueling like what u have accomplished.

Already complete just have not had time to post that here.

Car is now on 18 psi built motor that I finished a few months ago.


Honestly I don't believe any post I've seen about a e92m touching 6s on a 650kit. On pump 93 or 98 ron even in negative da 570whp is not enough power to move 3700lbs driver in car to that speed.

The one car I saw who claimed this on that massive 60-130 thread. Is with out question lying about his car.

[pbonsalb]

18 psi is serious business!

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Properstyle

Already complete just have not had time to post that here.

Car is now on 18 psi built motor that I finished a few months ago.


Honestly I don't believe any post I've seen about a e92m touching 6s on a 650kit. On pump 93 or 98 ron even in negative da 570whp is not enough power to move 3700lbs driver in car to that speed.

The one car I saw who claimed this on that massive 60-130 thread. Is with out question lying about his car.

Haha wow yeah madsex343. Did a 6.16 on a ess600 kit supposedly. Had some records on other cars too that were heavily debated on other forums. I think we can all agree there was something going on with his numbers.

There were a few legit 6's with the standard kits in the 60-130 database but again those were the exception not the norm. I remember mine on a hot airstrip at 5,000DA being as bad as 8.8 seconds and the the same evening doing 7 flat uphill at maybe 1,000DA.

[Properstyle]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Haha wow yeah madsex343. Did a 6.16 on a ess600 kit supposedly. Had some records on other cars too that were heavily debated on other forums. I think we can all agree there was something going on with his numbers.

There were a few legit 6's with the standard kits in the 60-130 database but again those were the exception not the norm. I remember mine on a hot airstrip at 5,000DA being as bad as 8.8 seconds and the the same evening doing 7 flat uphill at maybe 1,000DA.

yeah his numbers were with out question not adding up. i'm all for progress but even on the drag strip in winter cutting a 10.9 at 127 I didn't even touch a 6 lol..but i also see use of vbox which allows up to 3 percent grade which on a draggy is like driving down a cliff lol.

[Deebo]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

A few have even gotten into the 6's with the standard kits, but DA and temps were very low.

High intake temps is the enemy of the SC S65. So using the standard one gallon air to water intercooler system that recirculated the water thru the hot engine bay (20+ year old Mercedes design) is not ideal. For daily driving, this needs an air to air intercooling system and preferably water/meth to futher cool the intake charge. Otherwise yeah warm day 60-130's in the 8's.

Was your experience the same even with the 5 gallon trunk tank installed? Obviously useful if you’re dropping a bag of ice in it to get super low IATs, but for daily driving on a hot day I’m still thinking the water in the trunk is going to be pretty hot.

I wish there was more data or people running the larger VF Race intercooler, I might eventually have to be the guinea pig there. Or just accept that without added chemical cooling from meth, the car is going to be slower on a hot day

[Deebo]

Originally Posted by Properstyle

Already complete just have not had time to post that here.

Car is now on 18 psi built motor that I finished a few months ago.


Honestly I don't believe any post I've seen about a e92m touching 6s on a 650kit. On pump 93 or 98 ron even in negative da 570whp is not enough power to move 3700lbs driver in car to that speed.

The one car I saw who claimed this on that massive 60-130 thread. Is with out question lying about his car.

Looking forward to seeing the results, and as always thanks for sharing and being so transparent about the process and parts used, really helpful to the community and others looking to push the envelope in the future!

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Deebo

Was your experience the same even with the 5 gallon trunk tank installed? Obviously useful if you're dropping a bag of ice in it to get super low IATs, but for daily driving on a hot day I'm still thinking the water in the trunk is going to be pretty hot.

I wish there was more data or people running the larger VF Race intercooler, I might eventually have to be the guinea pig there. Or just accept that without added chemical cooling from meth, the car is going to be slower on a hot day

The 5 gal trunk tank is a fantastic solution for keeping IATs reasonable because the water never gets that hot. The water is recirculating outside the hot engine bay so even on a hot day, the car is much faster. Instead of losing say 150 crank hp on a hot day (going from 600 to 450) maybe you lose only 50-75. That means your 60-130's will be much more consistent and range from low to high 7's vs low 7's to low 9's.

The big issue is that you lose part of your trunk.

[pbonsalb]

The Evolve or GPower style air to air system look great and would be easier/cheaper to use with meth.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

The Evolve or GPower style air to air system look great and would be easier/cheaper to use with meth.

Or could do the non-intercooled ess550 kit, which uses a different manifold without the heat exchanger which will be an inexpensive way to keep IATs ambient. Of course going to need a failsafe if water/meth doesnt flow. But that's what I'd try.

[DukeofAlexandria]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

The 5 gal trunk tank is a fantastic solution for keeping IATs reasonable because the water never gets that hot. The water is recirculating outside the hot engine bay so even on a hot day, the car is much faster. Instead of losing say 150 crank hp on a hot day (going from 600 to 450) maybe you lose only 50-75. That means your 60-130's will be much more consistent and range from low to high 7's vs low 7's to low 9's.

The big issue is that you lose part of your trunk.

Originally Posted by Longboarder

The 5 gal trunk tank is a fantastic solution for keeping IATs reasonable because the water never gets that hot. The water is recirculating outside the hot engine bay so even on a hot day, the car is much faster. Instead of losing say 150 crank hp on a hot day (going from 600 to 450) maybe you lose only 50-75. That means your 60-130's will be much more consistent and range from low to high 7's vs low 7's to low 9's.

The big issue is that you lose part of your trunk.

Woah woah woah….are you trying to claim that a 90 degree day with say 80-90% humidity would sap away 150 crank HP? Because I'd love to know your math on that if you are…

I think you're off by a factor of 2-2.5 here man. I've NEVER seen heat soak/IAT's account for more then 65HP loss. So really confused here hah?!?

-Duke

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by DukeofAlexandria

Woah woah woah….are you trying to claim that a 90 degree day with say 80-90% humidity would sap away 150 crank HP? Because I'd love to know your math on that if you are…

I think you're off by a factor of 2-2.5 here man. I've NEVER seen heat soak/IAT's account for more then 65HP loss. So really confused here hah?!?

-Duke

I had a vbox and used my own ess625 (later upgraded to ess650) at different events (airstrip, track, etc). Once it got the 5gal water/ice tank it was very consistent, however before that, my 60-130's were all over the place...sometimes even in the 9's on a track day on a back straight 100deg day full hear soak. With those numbers, it's making around 450. On a cool evening low 7's and thats around 600.

[nycplumber]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

I had a vbox and used my own ess625 (later upgraded to ess650) at different events (airstrip, track, etc). Once it got the 5gal water/ice tank it was very consistent, however before that, my 60-130's were all over the place...sometimes even in the 9's on a track day on a back straight 100deg day full hear soak. With those numbers, it's making around 450. On a cool evening low 7's and thats around 600.

Yup I was laughing when I test drove a supercharged car on a hot day. I told the owner it didn't feel any faster than mine and he didn't believe me. So we did a 60 pull and he put less than a car on me by the time we hit 100+.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by nycplumber

Yup I was laughing when I test drove a supercharged car on a hot day. I told the owner it didn't feel any faster than mine and he didn't believe me. So we did a 60 pull and he put less than a car on me by the time we hit 100+.

Yeah heat soak does level the playing field somewhat. Although one car length seems a lot closer than I would have thought.

A stock e9X M3 should do around 13 seconds 60-130. A FBO tuned down around 10....perhaps 11 in high DA/heat. A 600+ SC kit should put down 7 in cool temps and low 9's in high temps...or maybe 10 if not running 100%. That's maybe what you encountered...an S/C car that needed plugs or something.

Here's what I did to a FBO e92 M3 against my S/C M3 on a hot day with the standard 1 gal water to air system. I gave him the hit and still pulled 15 maybe 20 car lengths to 160. See at 3:45 min mark: