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      01-18-2018, 04:40 PM   #67
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Super weird! Maybe ride height or spring rates are playing a part in that. Depends on the amount of stagger as well.

We may have different driving styles, I tend to counter understeer with more throttle, if the car has the power for it. Wasn't possible in the gutless e36 :P
Yes I think we are on the same page. That was my original point that I wouldn’t generalize one setup as being bad, they both have their pros and cons and car setup and driver preference plays a role.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, I wouldn’t say there is only 1 way to setup any given car.
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First initial pictures with squared 19x10 with 265/35 front and 275/35 PSS rear. It's filthy
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First initial pictures with squared 19x10 with 265/35 front and 275/35 PSS rear. It's filthy
Looks so good! What suspension are you on?
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Because people use the search function, like they should
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First initial pictures with squared 19x10 with 265/35 front and 275/35 PSS rear. It's filthy
Looks so good! What suspension are you on?
OEM zcp
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I have 275/30/19 all around.. no rubbing anywhere. Final offset et20 front et10 rear. OEM ZCP is ET25 so you will be more than fine.

Suspension: KW sleeve-over

Reading conflicting stories in this thread on kw sleeve kit and it hitting perch in front on a 19 x 10 et. 20 but this was a case where no rubbing anywhere with this wheel setup and suspension in front without spacer, only in rear I believe
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A 10" ET25 wheel will not work with the KW sleeve kit, and spacers will be required for proper clearances. The KW sleeve kit is very "bulky" in comparison to most aftermarket suspensions, and you will have contact with the perch.

5mm spacers will provide adequate clearance for KW variants or clubsports, but the sleeve kit requires a touch more room (about 8mm IIRC).

With that said, the 19x10" ET25 up front will clear stock suspension with lowering springs, as well as many aftermarket coilovers.

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Please read my above post, there was a member here that ran bbs ch, 19 x 10 et. 20 on kw sleeve over kit, that didn’t experience any rubbing on perch, could it be because of different design of wheel? Bbs ch vs oem 359 wheel?
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Please read my above post, there was a member here that ran bbs ch, 19 x 10 et. 20 on kw sleeve over kit, that didn’t experience any rubbing on perch, could it be because of different design of wheel? Bbs ch vs oem 359 wheel?
No, widths and ETs are fixed mathematical measurements.
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No, widths and ETs are fixed mathematical measurements.
Ok do you think because one member was an e90 while the other was a e92? E90 have more clearance overall? The e90 was running bbs ch square, 19 x 10, offset 20, 275/30/19 and didnt experience rubbing in kw sleeve over kit. I’m at a lost here from different experiences, unless someone here is off on there experiences with kw sleeve over kit and rubbing/clearance in front
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Ok do you think because one member was an e90 while the other was a e92? E90 have more clearance overall? The e90 was running bbs ch square, 19 x 10, offset 20, 275/30/19 and didnt experience rubbing in kw sleeve over kit. I’m at a lost here from different experiences, unless someone here is off on there experiences with kw sleeve over kit and rubbing/clearance in front
there is zero difference with the e90 versus e92 version of any suspension kit. The variable that you aren't considering is tire brand and model. The true size of a 275 tire varies drastically from brand to brand, model to model of tire. There are certain tires that run very narrow for their size. Looking at the above pic the tire appears to have some stretch. Most 275's will fit square and wide on a 10". In addition some people don't realize that they are rubbing slightly until they remove the wheel after some mileage and see tire marks on the spring. Once they realize it they forget to go back and update every post they made on the topic.
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Ok do you think because one member was an e90 while the other was a e92? E90 have more clearance overall? The e90 was running bbs ch square, 19 x 10, offset 20, 275/30/19 and didnt experience rubbing in kw sleeve over kit. I’m at a lost here from different experiences, unless someone here is off on there experiences with kw sleeve over kit and rubbing/clearance in front
I have a kw has kit to install and I’m on 19x10 ag 359’s that currently have 265/35’s on them. I planned to run 275/30’s squared or 275/30 and 285/30 with a 12mm spacer in the rear. Are any of these setups going to be possible?
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Ok do you think because one member was an e90 while the other was a e92? E90 have more clearance overall? The e90 was running bbs ch square, 19 x 10, offset 20, 275/30/19 and didnt experience rubbing in kw sleeve over kit. I’m at a lost here from different experiences, unless someone here is off on there experiences with kw sleeve over kit and rubbing/clearance in front
I have a kw has kit to install and I’m on 19x10 ag 359’s that currently have 265/35’s on them. I planned to run 275/30’s squared or 275/30 and 285/30 with a 12mm spacer in the rear. Are any of these setups going to be possible?
That will work

Again , all depends on tires!
Every sidewall is different ..



And before you do any of this, take the kw sleeve kit and put it directly in the trash .
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That will work

Again , all depends on tires!
Every sidewall is different ..



And before you do any of this, take the kw sleeve kit and put it directly in the trash .
Thanks, I didn’t think it would be an issue. I bet I won’t be able to use the current 265/35 up front with them though. And why? They seemed like the better choice vs springs.
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That will work

Again , all depends on tires!
Every sidewall is different ..



And before you do any of this, take the kw sleeve kit and put it directly in the trash .
Thanks, I didn’t think it would be an issue. I bet I won’t be able to use the current 265/35 up front with them though. And why? They seemed like the better choice vs springs.
Why wouldn't a 265/35 work?
This is all baby easy fitment man lol



And take my world with a grain of salt
I'm a bmw race car tech , and they are to worst possible option for lowering this platform BAR NONE


Get yourself some swifts/b&g/or whatever
Do not use that sleeve kit



Just some advice is all
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Why wouldn't a 265/35 work?
This is all baby easy fitment man lol



And take my world with a grain of salt
I'm a bmw race car tech , and they are to worst possible option for lowering this platform BAR NONE


Get yourself some swifts/b&g/or whatever
Do not use that sleeve kit





Just some advice is all



Lol I just hate how tall the 265/35 looks up front on the 10’s and figured they would easily rub the strut/collar when I lower it.

I almost went with b&g’s but I liked the idea of the slight adjustablily and didn’t think you could go wrong with a kw product! Just hoping these will hold me over until I get some ohlins or something along those lines.

I’m always up for any advice though, appreciate it lol.
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I have 265/35/19 PSS up front and have the smallest amount of rub in zcp suspension. Only time it rubs is sharp turns with one tire off camber. From what I've read, you can run these on lowering springs with some camber but you'll still get some rubbing on inner fender liner in sharp turns
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I have 265/35/19 PSS up front and have the smallest amount of rub in zcp suspension. Only time it rubs is sharp turns with one tire off camber. From what I've read, you can run these on lowering springs with some camber but you'll still get some rubbing on inner fender liner in sharp turns
I’d like to install the kw has kit on the existing 265/35’s but not sure it’ll work with how low I’d like it to sit. Just to eliminate the fender gap basically. Thinking I might have to wait until I switch to a 275/30.
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Switch to the 275/30 and do it right. 265/35 up front just isn't right. It's much taller than stock, limits fitment, rubs, looks bubbly, etc.
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I have 265/35/19 PSS up front and have the smallest amount of rub in zcp suspension. Only time it rubs is sharp turns with one tire off camber. From what I've read, you can run these on lowering springs with some camber but you'll still get some rubbing on inner fender liner in sharp turns
If you're lowering than 275/30 is easier since you want have to mess with it. If you're staying stock, it's in my opinion, 265/35 fits great.

I'd like to install the kw has kit on the existing 265/35's but not sure it'll work with how low I'd like it to sit. Just to eliminate the fender gap basically. Thinking I might have to wait until I switch to a 275/30.
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Switch to the 275/30 and do it right. 265/35 up front just isn't right. It's much taller than stock, limits fitment, rubs, looks bubbly, etc.
Matter of opinion. I have no plans to lower the car and it fills the wheel gap very well and I also have zero issues. It's matter of preference. "Isn't right" is not accurate.



I didn't buy a ZCP car to ultimately change the suspension. I chose a 265/35 cause I wanted the best ride while filling the wheel gap. I get compliments all the time with how it sits. Every one has their opinion on looks so that'll be up to each person. It's like saying the only reason to go with a square wheel set up is to have the ability to rotate tires. It's certainly one of the main reasons but not the only reason.
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A 10" ET25 wheel will not work with the KW sleeve kit, and spacers will be required for proper clearances. The KW sleeve kit is very "bulky" in comparison to most aftermarket suspensions, and you will have contact with the perch.

5mm spacers will provide adequate clearance for KW variants or clubsports, but the sleeve kit requires a touch more room (about 8mm IIRC).

With that said, the 19x10" ET25 up front will clear stock suspension with lowering springs, as well as many aftermarket coilovers.

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(With that said, the 19x10" ET25 up front will clear stock suspension with lowering springs, as well as many aftermarket coilovers.)
** I am currently lowered on B&G S2 Springs (E92 M3 with EDC, not competition pack.) So with the above being said, I should be able to run 19x10" ET25 squared without rubbing - but what tires could I run? Generally speaking.. I know different brand tires will have slightly different size variation in the same specs, but what are some tire sizes I would be safe going with?
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(With that said, the 19x10" ET25 up front will clear stock suspension with lowering springs, as well as many aftermarket coilovers.)
** I am currently lowered on B&G S2 Springs (E92 M3 with EDC, not competition pack.) So with the above being said, I should be able to run 19x10" ET25 squared without rubbing - but what tires could I run? Generally speaking.. I know different brand tires will have slightly different size variation in the same specs, but what are some tire sizes I would be safe going with?

I would be encouraging of 275/30/19 sizing to avoid rubbing at steering lock. On 10" width I have run 265/30 (PSC2, too short) and 275/30 (PS4S, slightly short.) IMO 275/30 is better fitting on 9.5" width.
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