Show Me Your Wings

DrFerry · 01-25-2021, 01:33 PM

Okay folks let's see your wings.. I'm wondering what works, what doesn't, what's too much i.e. drag limiting, and what comments you might have - good, bad or indifferent thoughts / experiences. Are they even needed? Here's a couple of examples to get the topic (debate) started. Anybody have any thoughts to share?

https://www.turnology.com/features/b...ses-questions/

Move Over · 01-25-2021, 01:49 PM

That top one doesn't even have a cage! All that speed and no brains. Probably pretty effective though.

The bottom one looks like it came out of a cereal box.

To answer your question, I think Bimmerworlds Aero package is the most effective, followed up by APR's stuff, the GTS wing is also a nice mild option. All need to be balanced out with some type of I've been setting multiple PR's in my car with no aero, and there's still a bit time left on the courses I've been on.

I've noticed your signature doesn't say anything about suspension. Unless it's not been updated I feel like that's probably low hanging fruit over aero.

tsk94 · 01-25-2021, 02:27 PM

I've been very impressed with the efficiency and effectiveness of the BW Ultralight GT wing. Made a huge difference compared to no wing and my current local track. This track is a low speed track so I've been running an aggressive AOA and the drag penalty has been minimal but with noticeable improvements in braking zones and the faster corners. And it's also very light..

ThunderMoose · 01-25-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Move Over

That top one doesn't even have a cage! All that speed and no brains. Probably pretty effective though.

The bottom one looks like it came out of a cereal box.

To answer your question, I think Bimmerworlds Aero package is the most effective, followed up by APR's stuff, the GTS wing is also a nice mild option. All need to be balanced out with some type of I've been setting multiple PR's in my car with no aero, and there's still a bit time left on the courses I've been on.

I've noticed your signature doesn't say anything about suspension. Unless it's not been updated I feel like that's probably low hanging fruit over aero.

The top one that won the 2016 TT3 Eastern States Championship? I believe it had a half cage. Greg Smith the owner is pretty experienced driver. I'm not defending absence of cage but TT has same rule set as HPDE.

Mintbandz · 01-25-2021, 04:03 PM

Wide body for the Bea please

Move Over · 01-25-2021, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderMoose

Quote:

Originally Posted by Move Over

That top one doesn't even have a cage! All that speed and no brains. Probably pretty effective though.

The bottom one looks like it came out of a cereal box.

To answer your question, I think Bimmerworlds Aero package is the most effective, followed up by APR's stuff, the GTS wing is also a nice mild option. All need to be balanced out with some type of I've been setting multiple PR's in my car with no aero, and there's still a bit time left on the courses I've been on.

I've noticed your signature doesn't say anything about suspension. Unless it's not been updated I feel like that's probably low hanging fruit over aero.

The top one that won the 2016 TT3 Eastern States Championship? I believe it had a half cage. Greg Smith the owner is pretty experienced driver. I'm not defending absence of cage but TT has same rule set as HPDE.

Gotcha yeah I figured it had something after I posted. Looks like it doesn't have anything in the photo

SYT_Shadow · 01-25-2021, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tsk94

I've been very impressed with the efficiency and effectiveness of the BW Ultralight GT wing. Made a huge difference compared to no wing and my current local track. This track is a low speed track so I've been running an aggressive AOA and the drag penalty has been minimal but with noticeable improvements in braking zones and the faster corners. And it's also very light..

this is definitely my favorite wing! One day! One day

SYT_Shadow · 01-25-2021, 05:36 PM

To answer the thread: Bimmerworld seems to have a nice front and rear package and some information about how it's matched.

When I get aero it is guaranteed the rear wing is the CF one tsk94 has, and for the front probably the BW GT4 splitter and canards/etc package they have. Or the Zebulon front splitter, I really like that as well

roastbeef · 01-25-2021, 07:48 PM

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ThunderMoose · 01-25-2021, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Move Over

Gotcha yeah I figured it had something after I posted. Looks like it doesn't have anything in the photo

Yeah I don't see anything either in the pics. Maybe he didn't have one.

turbo_joe · 01-26-2021, 07:07 AM

GT4 with high rise mounts
Front aero GT4 lip and APR fender spats, adding a splitter and BW dive planes soon

OG Shark · 01-26-2021, 11:05 AM

Big Wang from 9 Lives Racing, been happy with it. For this year went back to their mounts like in the last pic.

Little M Power love...

Using these mounts again...

evilspiritM3 · 01-26-2021, 11:39 AM

Everyone likes Wangs.

///Mobbin · 01-26-2021, 12:28 PM

^Agreed and great thread idea!

Hope to be contributing soon as my Schirmer GT wing arrives from Germany tomorrow!

SAMM3Y · 01-26-2021, 12:38 PM

Mustang APR drag wing. Good for walking into and obstructing your rear view mirror. Probably not much else. Not sure if it will stay on the car, I was looking for something bolt on that wasn't massive, I like the lines but don't care for the mounts.

//steve\\ · 01-26-2021, 12:50 PM

UUC Grand Am wing. - according to UUC this was wind tunnel tested and does make downforce, how much truth there is to that statement I don't know but it was what all of the E92 Grand Am cars ran so I assume it's better than no wing at all.

SAMM3Y · 01-26-2021, 01:01 PM

Love that Steve. Might be in my future.

e36clubracer · 01-26-2021, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk94

I've been very impressed with the efficiency and effectiveness of the BW Ultralight GT wing. Made a huge difference compared to no wing and my current local track. This track is a low speed track so I've been running an aggressive AOA and the drag penalty has been minimal but with noticeable improvements in braking zones and the faster corners. And it's also very light..

Do you have any pics on how your wing is mounted from underneath?

tsk94 · 01-26-2021, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by e36clubracer

Do you have any pics on how your wing is mounted from underneath?

I'll see if I got some. Needed to cut away some of the trunk (underneath) to get at all the bolts/washers from underneath. Was a pain but doable.

e36clubracer · 01-26-2021, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tsk94

I'll see if I got some. Needed to cut away some of the trunk to get at all the bolts/washers from underneath. Was a pain but doable.

Did you do any reinforcements to the trunk / stand offs below to distribute the load?

tsk94 · 01-26-2021, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by e36clubracer

Did you do any reinforcements to the trunk / stand offs below to distribute the load?

Just a reinforcement plate underneath. With a stock metal trunk, not worried about it it that much, at worst it would deform it slightly. But I doubt even at high speed it would create enough force to do so. The mounting plates for the wing are huge so the load is distributed quite well.

DL335D · 01-26-2021, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by //steve\\

UUC Grand Am wing. - according to UUC this was wind tunnel tested and does make downforce, how much truth there is to that statement I don't know but it was what all of the E92 Grand Am cars ran so I assume it's better than no wing at all.

[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b94decf1_b.jpg[/IMG]

Never seen this wing. I love it.

01-25-2021, 01:33 PM	#1
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Move Over Colonel 1258 Rep 2,492 Posts Drives: M3 6MT Join Date: May 2015 Location: Peninsula iTrader: (9)	That top one doesn't even have a cage! All that speed and no brains. Probably pretty effective though. The bottom one looks like it came out of a cereal box. To answer your question, I think Bimmerworlds Aero package is the most effective, followed up by APR's stuff, the GTS wing is also a nice mild option. All need to be balanced out with some type of I've been setting multiple PR's in my car with no aero, and there's still a bit time left on the courses I've been on. I've noticed your signature doesn't say anything about suspension. Unless it's not been updated I feel like that's probably low hanging fruit over aero. __________________ 2010 E92 M3 DCT
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tsk94 Lieutenant Colonel 1522 Rep 1,591 Posts Drives: E92 M3, E82 128i, F82 M4, E36 Join Date: May 2017 Location: Calgary iTrader: (2)	I've been very impressed with the efficiency and effectiveness of the BW Ultralight GT wing. Made a huge difference compared to no wing and my current local track. This track is a low speed track so I've been running an aggressive AOA and the drag penalty has been minimal but with noticeable improvements in braking zones and the faster corners. And it's also very light..
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01-26-2021, 07:07 AM	#11
turbo_joe Lieutenant Colonel 1616 Rep 1,588 Posts Drives: 2012 M3 Coupe Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: SOMD iTrader: (2)	GT4 with high rise mounts Front aero GT4 lip and APR fender spats, adding a splitter and BW dive planes soon __________________ 2012 E92 M3 Instagram Turbo__Joe
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OG Shark BimmerPost Supporting Vendor 4693 Rep 2,542 Posts Drives: Angry Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Spring Branch, TX iTrader: (5)	Big Wang from 9 Lives Racing, been happy with it. For this year went back to their mounts like in the last pic. Little M Power love... Using these mounts again... __________________ @teamogshark https://ogsharkmotorsport.com/
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///Mobbin Colonel 1478 Rep 2,672 Posts Drives: m3 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Houston iTrader: (3)	^Agreed and great thread idea! Hope to be contributing soon as my Schirmer GT wing arrives from Germany tomorrow! __________________ 2021 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio \| 2.9L \| Trofeo White Tri-Coat \| 8-spd
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SAMM3Y Colonel 3085 Rep 2,747 Posts Drives: 2008 m3 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NorCal iTrader: (2)	Mustang APR drag wing. Good for walking into and obstructing your rear view mirror. Probably not much else. Not sure if it will stay on the car, I was looking for something bolt on that wasn't massive, I like the lines but don't care for the mounts. Attached Images __________________ 9ers
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//steve\\ Major $//steve\\'s Avatar$ 1074 Rep 1,027 Posts Drives: 2012 E92 M3 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (2)	UUC Grand Am wing. - according to UUC this was wind tunnel tested and does make downforce, how much truth there is to that statement I don't know but it was what all of the E92 Grand Am cars ran so I assume it's better than no wing at all. __________________ Steve::::2012 AW E92::::IG - @sjs0433
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