Schroth Quick Fit Pro

[Kong Sheng Han]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Cf blank sir, 2925 lbs

Better.

[1MOREMOD]

Couldn't find a slick top and got impatient

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by Kong Sheng Han

Raven bolt-in half cage utilizes factory strengthened points - F and R seatbelt mounts. Kirk and AutoPower mount to rear wheel wells, which don't seem safe to me, so those two are a no go for me.

Edit: I see you mentioned wheel well mount issues in post 17 already..





Track car, and still has sunroof? I am disappoint.

completely bolt-in an reversible? is this for an e46 or e92? hard to tell by the pic and i don't see it on their website.

[Kong Sheng Han]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

completely bolt-in an reversible? is this for an e46 or e92? hard to tell by the pic and i don't see it on their website.

E46 and bolt-in/reversible. You could ask Raven if they'd be willing to develop an E9X version.

http://www.ravenperformance.com/prod...stom-cages.php

Or get the Fall Line Motorsports cage, which SYT said he'd be getting for his E92 because it utilizes factory strengthened mounting points.

http://ind-distribution.com/ind/cate...t-in-roll-cage

[Candide13]

Circling back to the OP, I am a little frustrated with the inconsistent response of organizers to the Schroth QFP, which I just bought for this season. As a street-legal alternative to the OEM 3-point I would have thought it should be treated as an equivalent constraint system across the board, no more and no less. But that does not seem to be the case.

For example, BMWCCA does not outright ban it, it seems, but for the upcoming event at NJMP they say that NJMP does not allow any 4-point harnesses so can't use it there.

[DB]

I've used the schroth quick fit pro 4 point harness with various clubs (including PCA and BMW CCA) at various tracks (including NJMP) and have never had any issue (including with PCA and BMW CCA at NJMP). The only thing that any of the organizations looked for was to see that the harness was designed specifically for the car. My car is an e90, so the harness had to say e90 (which it did) and not e92 or mini (although both of those appear to fit). My understanding is that the generic ban on 4 point harnesses that some clubs have instituted does not apply to the schroth which has all of the necessary safety certifications and the ASM technology.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by Kong Sheng Han

Raven bolt-in half cage utilizes factory strengthened points - F and R seatbelt mounts. Kirk and AutoPower mount to rear wheel wells, which don't seem safe to me, so those two are a no go for me.

Edit: I see you mentioned wheel well mount issues in post 17 already..

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Track car, and still has sunroof? I am disappoint.

Without a forward hoop along the window and down the A pillar, I don't see a roll bar doing much. Most rollovers I've seen on videos, the car ends up on the windshield.

I did get to see what an S2000 looked like after rolling 7 times. The roof wasn't flattened.

If I had a real bad incident...I wouldn't expect a roll bar to do a ton more than what's already designed in the car.

I think the biggest risk based on likelihood and severity to deal with is a side impact. I've never heard of someone getting their spine crushed. I have witnessed 5 injuries from a side impact. Particularly the door.

...just a thought.

[SYT_Shadow]

I recently received the BK bar, Ergo seats, Scroth 6 points and am just waiting for the seat mounting hardware!

The BK bar is tested to meet DOT style seatbelt requirements

Once it's set up I'll be sure to post here so everyone can see it

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by DB

I've used the schroth quick fit pro 4 point harness with various clubs (including PCA and BMW CCA) at various tracks (including NJMP) and have never had any issue (including with PCA and BMW CCA at NJMP). The only thing that any of the organizations looked for was to see that the harness was designed specifically for the car. My car is an e90, so the harness had to say e90 (which it did) and not e92 or mini (although both of those appear to fit). My understanding is that the generic ban on 4 point harnesses that some clubs have instituted does not apply to the schroth which has all of the necessary safety certifications and the ASM technology.

This

Despite the language about 4 point harnesses, every single club I've run with has allowed them.

I've had instructors get out of the car yelling about instant screaming death but when they bring the tech chair to spank me it turns out the tech chair allows it as the QFPs are street legal

I still regard the QFPs like the #1 safety mod for tracking our cars

[Candide13]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

This

Despite the language about 4 point harnesses, every single club I've run with has allowed them.

I've had instructors get out of the car yelling about instant screaming death but when they bring the tech chair to spank me it turns out the tech chair allows it as the QFPs are street legal

I still regard the QFPs like the #1 safety mod for tracking our cars

I like hearing that, though here is the quote from an email from BMWCCA-NY to the participants at the upcoming NJMP Lighnting HPDE on April 10:

NJMP does not allow 4 point harnesses and has also reserved the right to check
the expiration dates on aftermarket 5 and 6 point harnesses. If your harness has
expired be prepared to use your factory installed harness if necessary!
This applies to all vehicles going on track!

You guys might still be right, I hope, and I will try to use my QFP at the event, but the language is pretty clear.

[SYT_Shadow]

You could try writing the registrar. Everyone prohibits 4pts but QFPs get a pass

[typicaltrabes]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

my girlfriend brought this up to me the other day. she wants me to get more safety stuff, and i'm definitely not opposed to it... i have some research to do because i know there is a hierarchy of things to buy in order for everything to work together as designed.
i told her, "the real way to do it is to run a half-cage with a rear seat delete and run harnesses with that and proper seats."
she shrugged her shoulders and said, "well, you don't really use the back seat anyways, and its for safety."

Ha! I had the same situation 6 months ago... I just picked up my car on Saturday. Half Cage, OMP Seats and Schroth Hans Pro harnesses. Took my girlfriend for a ride and she loved it!

[///Mobbin]

Originally Posted by typicaltrabes

Ha! I had the same situation 6 months ago... I just picked up my car on Saturday. Half Cage, OMP Seats and Schroth Hans Pro harnesses. Took my girlfriend for a ride and she loved it!

Nice setup, pics please! Also, what half cage did you go with?

[typicaltrabes]

So took sometime with the cage. I met with a fabricator out on Long Island who has built several for E92s. Originally was going to go full but decided against it. Long story short I went with the GTS OEM cage. It was built out in Germany and sent over. I did this because its the only one that I can find that has to go through rigorous testing as its put on a production vehicle. It costs more, quite a bit more, but I have been thinking of it as an insurance cost. I certainly think my life is worth more than I paid for it and it gives me some piece of mind. Attached are some pics I took while the work was getting finished. My biggest issue surprisingly was finding a bar and seats that worked for my size. I am 6'4" and finding seats and a bar that had the right height and angle from the bar to seats was harder than I had ever anticipated. Ended up going with the OMP WRC-R seats partly for comfort but mostly for measurements.

[///Mobbin]

Originally Posted by typicaltrabes

So took sometime with the cage. I met with a fabricator out on Long Island who has built several for E92s. Originally was going to go full but decided against it. Long story short I went with the GTS OEM cage. It was built out in Germany and sent over. I did this because its the only one that I can find that has to go through rigorous testing as its put on a production vehicle. It costs more, quite a bit more, but I have been thinking of it as an insurance cost. I certainly think my life is worth more than I paid for it and it gives me some piece of mind. Attached are some pics I took while the work was getting finished. My biggest issue surprisingly was finding a bar and seats that worked for my size. I am 6'4" and finding seats and a bar that had the right height and angle from the bar to seats was harder than I had ever anticipated. Ended up going with the OMP WRC-R seats partly for comfort but mostly for measurements.

Nice, thanks. I have an OMP helmet and like it a lot, I don't see their seats as often though. Will have to check those out when I get to this point. Good info on the difficulty of getting the harness angle right also, I'll need to look into that further.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Without a forward hoop along the window and down the A pillar, I don't see a roll bar doing much. Most rollovers I've seen on videos, the car ends up on the windshield.

I did get to see what an S2000 looked like after rolling 7 times. The roof wasn't flattened.

If I had a real bad incident...I wouldn't expect a roll bar to do a ton more than what's already designed in the car.

I think the biggest risk based on likelihood and severity to deal with is a side impact. I've never heard of someone getting their spine crushed. I have witnessed 5 injuries from a side impact. Particularly the door.

...just a thought.

I've trained my body so can shift organs in the event of a crash.

[M3 Number 86]

@my335i welded e90 half cage. Gonna go to same builder.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by Candide13

Circling back to the OP, I am a little frustrated with the inconsistent response of organizers to the Schroth QFP, which I just bought for this season. As a street-legal alternative to the OEM 3-point I would have thought it should be treated as an equivalent constraint system across the board, no more and no less. But that does not seem to be the case.

For example, BMWCCA does not outright ban it, it seems, but for the upcoming event at NJMP they say that NJMP does not allow any 4-point harnesses so can't use it there.

BMWCCA has to be well aware of this option for BMWs since it has been around for at least a decade. I've never heard of someone with a quick fit not meeting any HPDE organization's safety requirements.

[Candide13]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

BMWCCA has to be well aware of this option for BMWs since it has been around for at least a decade. I've never heard of someone with a quick fit not meeting any HPDE organization's safety requirements.

I totally agree. For what it is worth, I emailed the BMWCCA-NY event master for the NJMP track day but did not hear back.

[z3papa]

i have this setup in my car which I DD and use for autocross. Pretty slick and easy to put in and take out.

[03BeastCharmer]

Is there any truth to the Pro lap belt sitting higher than the regular QFs due to the release mechanism, and as a result the regulars being safer than the pros?

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by 03BeastCharmer

Is there any truth to the Pro lap belt sitting higher than the regular QFs due to the release mechanism, and as a result the regulars being safer than the pros?

True that the pro sits a little higher. Not sure if its more or less safer.

You can use a regular with a HANS. The problem is the regular comes off the bottom of the HANS so there's a little more head and neck movement than with the pro.