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07-06-2018, 03:03 PM | #45 | |
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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...12-evo-page-10 "“Deceptively quick” is a good summation of the Hankook Ventus V12 Evos because they often didn’t feel as strong as they actually were, particularly in the dry. ... In the wet, however, the V12s were as sporty and connected as they come, with grip second only to the PS2s’ and the best braking. ...Subjectively, they felt the best around the track, even though their time trailed slightly behind the Dunlops’. With above-average wet and dry performances, and tying for quietest on the street loop, the V12 Evo is an impressive and well-rounded summer tire. And, at $106, it’s a bargain, too." Complete BS other than being quiet and cheap.
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It was also probably the worst 'handling' sport tire I've ever used. Mind you, it had pretty good grip BUT the response and mid-corner stability was so bad that the front and rear axles were never in-phase - the car would literally sway within the tires. Utter crap but supremely comfortable. Point is - if you think the DW was stiff you won't like a true performance tire. Ha, totally. I too got sucked into them way back when and they only lasted a couple months. Very shitty tire. But they looked good. Rode like shit, gripped like shit. Quote:
I need tires for the E90M and the price difference between the ECS and PS4S is only $150 (stock 19" sizes) and am a HUGE PSS fan and so I'm 99.9% sold on the PS4S. It will take a compelling argument to get me to save the $150 and go for the ECS. How do they ride? How do they grip? How do they respond? How do they wear? How well do they protect the rims? (The PSS/4S have beefy rim protectors which are both functional AND look killer) Last edited by EricSMG; 07-06-2018 at 05:25 PM.. |
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07-06-2018, 05:33 PM | #48 | |
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07-10-2018, 04:00 PM | #49 |
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FWIW, I'm at 12,000 miles and 5-5.5/32" on my ECS. The hydroplane resistance, evne with 285's up front, is still really really good, and there is no increase in noise at this tread depth, or at least not like the PSS, which got loud on my car once they get down in this range. The PSS started to get a little skatey in the rain/cold, where the ECS keeps gripping in the cold/wet, but that's been true since new
I went from 18's to 17's when I switched to the ECS, so I can't say I can give an honest direct comparison, but the 285/40-17 square ECS's ride worlds better than the 275/35-275/40-18 setup I had on the car previously, all on ET25 10" wheels. It's legitimately cushy over expansion joints etc., in comparison. But much of that is likely due to the big fat nascar sidewalls
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So this is a surprisingly common discussion on the Corvette forums since the Z06/GS only have 3 tire choices: PSS ZP, ECS, and PSC2 ZP. We don't yet have the PS4S. Based on what I have read on there, the ECS is about on-par with the PSS. However, the PS4S is "better" than the PSS in most regards -- so if you're okay with not having the absolute latest and greatest, save the $150 and get the ECS. Ultimately I think it's a bit of splitting hairs. Unless you are constantly driving the tires at the limit, or have a butt dyno in the top 1%, many of these tires will feel the same under normal use. The Tire Rack tests mostly echo this: the tires are just about even across the board. Dry and wet lap times are so damn close that you're basically looking at normal driver variability as the margin of error.
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07-10-2018, 05:20 PM | #51 | |
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I went with the 4S'. They are the "no risk" option for me. I want the best possible ride quality with the best possible wet/dry response/grip and overall, Michelin has always been the best at this. |
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07-11-2018, 08:47 AM | #52 | |
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Whether it's the PS4s, PSS, AS3+, Alpin PA4, IceX3... they are all phenomenal |
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07-14-2018, 06:13 AM | #53 |
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I just installed a new set of PS4S on my M3 also. 255/35-19 and 275/35-19 on 9.5/10.5 Apex wheels. They're replacing PSS in same size, that where were on 220Ms, which although have a fair amount of tread remaining are now 6 years old and aging/heat cycling out; so new wheels, new tires.
They feel fantastic from what little driving I've done on them in two days. I really like the 9.5/255 and 10.5/275 setup -- just the right amount of wheel to really support each tire. I also have a set of 10x18 with RE-71Rs, 275/35, and I would really like to take both to an event where I can back-to-back run them and get actual timed data...but I'm too lazy in my old age, sigh. The thing I've always liked about Michelin is the quality of their manufacturing processes -- these things were once again essentially perfect on the Hunter machine. Tires have three uniformity measures: mass uniformity, stiffness uniformity, and dimensional uniformity, and however they do it, Michelin always seems to provide excellent uniformity out of their manufacturing process (as measured by little balance weight required on perfect wheels, no out of line wobble in radial or axial dimension when spun up on machine, and very low roadforce measurements).
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