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12-06-2007, 02:53 PM | #177 |
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+1, It's funny how he says just move on if you don't like the thread, but then he doesn't do that here. Very odd.
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I have a killer idea for how we can improve the sound of any home audio rig. Listen up, regardless the quality of your system, if you simply place a subwoofer............................in the closet, the improvement across the board will be simply amazing! Plenty of tight, punchy bass for all to enjoy!
OK OK, that is off topic though shows how bored we all are with this BS state of the M. BMW should be flooding us with information in an attempt to make us to hand over a significant amount of $$. It is almost as if the concept of customer service is out the window? Hype will not carry on the M3 lineage in the face of other proper offerings from Germany. Price alone can save it, IF it becomes viewed as a bargain. So they delay the information and release the model slowly. We wait for years and maybe get a 2008 ~4-5 months before the next dude gets his 2009. The second year the market will be flooded with one on every corner. All the early adopters can hope for is bragging rights to the First Car, and then be saddled with identifying bugs/problems for the successive hordes. If the price-point comes in the low 50K US MSRP, I don't think anyone will complain too much. |
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The E46 M well selling into the $50Ks, and base MSRP was $48K. If you had a vert add another $10K and then the last E46s were $60K. I think the people that believe the new 'M' is going to be in the 50s are in for a huge awaking when the prices get announced. |
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+1. don't forget tax title and license. even though these are "after the fact" charges that buyers sometimes selectively forget, its makes a big difference between 50, 60, 70K. |
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So you think that an E92 M3 is going to cost less than a 335 Vert? If so, you're just in denial... Plain and simple... MSRP may not break the $70K mark, but it is going to be close $67K - $69K. I don't know how new you're to the BMW scene, but Verts have always been $10K more... |
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P.S. I don't know how much it will be this it just my guesstimate like yours.
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So the chances of being able to find a "base" M3 is unlikely. I still think that even the base will be in the $60K arena, and I lean more towards the high end of $60K at that. You can even look at the new 1 series. The 128 is like $28K, and the 135 is $34K which is not a far cry from the 3 series, yet it was a lot high than most people thought they would be. Last edited by ZeroG; 12-07-2007 at 05:59 PM.. |
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Now the difference between an E92 Coupe and a Convertible is around $8,000 (and in the 335i the leather is standard, so the difference is actually around $6500) and that is with a folding hard top, which used to be a $2000 option. Even in the 6 Series the difference is around $7000. So I don't see from where you are coming with "Verts have always been $10K more", much less that the E9x M3 will be close to $70K base... |
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I just check BMWUSA and the 335 coupe is $40K and the Vert in $50K. As for the E46 Vert and coupe it has always been around $10K difference. The folding hardtop was never an option on the E46. You could a regular hard top, but it was never folding. They were only offered with folding soft tops. This kind of a stupid thing to be arguing about, and is kind of off base to the original topic.... I guess we'll all see when prices are published. In my opinion if you think that the E92 M3 is going to be in the $50K range you're diluted, and have one hell of a shock coming... |
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What was the price hike from an E39 M5 to an E60 M5? Wouldn't you expect to see a similar bump with the M3's?
On a side note, my local dealer will not keep a used M5 on the lot because they are depreciating at the rate of about $1k per month. Can you say "market adjustment"? |
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Invoice for the coupe is 37,350 with MSRP at 40,800 The difference in MSRP is 8,300....close to 10K, but not 10K. I don't know how your bank account is, but to me 1,700 is a difference. (btw, difference in invoice is 7,820 FYI) |
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No, that's when you post stuff that is funny to you and nobody else and you realize the only one laughing at your "joke" is this guy
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for the european, we do not understand what 'MSRP' means.
could you please explain what it is, and what you need to pay ALL inclusive. For example, 60 000 + tax + ... = total USD xxx Not to afraid you, there is a big gap between the E92 M3, and the E46. Expect at least 15 / 20% increase in the price (not even taking into account the big decrease in the USD / EUR x-rate) |
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MSRP stands for manufacturer's suggested retail price. this does not include destination, tax, license, or registration. there is no VAT (value added tax) like in many european countries, but dealers sometimes charge higher than MSRP on high demand vehicles like the M3 because they know that people are willing to pay a markup in order to get the car first. because taxes vary by state, there is no way to say what its going to cost "ALL inclusive," although i'm fairly certain that the destination charge is $775. hope that explains it a bit better.
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In the USA, taxes vary by state and fees vary by dealer and location. If past history is to be trusted, the USA market pricing for BMW's has never followed the rest of the world, as models here have been constantly and considerably cheaper than equivalent models overseas. Regardless, the M3 that we will see here could be easily considered a stripper, as no leather, Nav system or Top HiFi system will be standard. This also could contribute in keeping any MSRP increase within market limits. |
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