Power Steering Pump Issues (reverse spinning)

[deansbimmer]

BMW states the 002 pump is "exchangeable retrospectively", meaning it replaces the 041 pump it supersedes, but the rotation isn't interchangeable.

Have you attempted to order the 32412283041/16106058001 pump to keep your existing routing? They are still available from BMW.

[FOURSIXTEEN]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

BMW states the 002 pump is "exchangeable retrospectively", meaning it replaces the 041 pump it supersedes, but the rotation isn't interchangeable.

Have you attempted to order the 32412283041/16106058001 pump to keep your existing routing? They are still available from BMW.

Yes, Not according to the 5 BMW dealers in Texas I called. Not saying they are not available, but just what I was told a few times.

[deansbimmer]

I called and confirmed that there aren’t any in Texas but plenty in Germany. I can have one here in about a week. There are also plenty listed online from other vendors who may have them in stock. These are not unobtanium. It’s not mandatory to update the belt and pulley system over this.

[Patrón]

Originally Posted by ham_sammich

Excellent post


05/2008 is when they made the change officially, though some 2008 m3's built into november/december still have the older routing. Though this is rare, it's worth noting you need to check the belt routing before ordering the pump. I replaced my PS pump and got the correct pump the first time. Didn't have to change anything else.

I confirmed with my BMW parts guy and there is indeed 2 different part numbers for each rotation direction.

My 2009 (build date 11/08) has the old belt routing.

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

I called and confirmed that there aren’t any in Texas but plenty in Germany. I can have one here in about a week. There are also plenty listed online from other vendors who may have them in stock. These are not unobtanium. It’s not mandatory to update the belt and pulley system over this.

my shop ordered my pump through an online distributor from somewhere else other than bmw and i am estimating that it's the wrong pump. they advised that my entire steering rack is the culprit. i'm just trying to confirm that it's not the wrong pump in there. they also stated that perhaps the culprit of the entire situation is my 275 tires on 19x10 wheels. my opinion is that it should not have affected it because 1) I do not track my car 2) the over all diameter is the same and the wheels are actually as light or lighter than oem 18x8.5s and tire combo. I weighed them. they are lighter than the zcp or 220s.

[FOURSIXTEEN]

Originally Posted by Patrón

My 2009 (build date 11/08) has the old belt routing.

my shop ordered my pump through an online distributor from somewhere else other than bmw and i am estimating that it's the wrong pump. they advised that my entire steering rack is the culprit. i'm just trying to confirm that it's not the wrong pump in there. they also stated that perhaps the culprit of the entire situation is my 275 tires on 19x10 wheels. my opinion is that it should have affected it because 1) I do not track my car 2) the over all diameter is the same and the wheels are actually as light or lighter than oem 18x8.5s and tire combo. I weighed them. they are lighter than the zcp or 220s.

Run dont walk from this shop............ i mean... the tires!? da fuq

[FOURSIXTEEN]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

I called and confirmed that there aren’t any in Texas but plenty in Germany. I can have one here in about a week. There are also plenty listed online from other vendors who may have them in stock. These are not unobtanium. It’s not mandatory to update the belt and pulley system over this.

Tell me who you called and spoke to and I will call tomorrow and get one. I have ordered one from a vendor that said it was 041 and it still showed up 002. I called Bosch and they said no one has 041 anymore and they are the only remanufacturing / rebuilding company for they pump since the bought ZF so I gave up there.

I wouldn't be surprised if the BMW parts departments I called are just idiots, but I called Classic, Autobahn, bmw of Dallas, and bmw of Arlington and was told by all of them that it was 002 or nothing.

I would have happily ordered one up from Germany if they gave me that option. At this point whats another $700

[deansbimmer]

If you’re serious about obtaining one then PM me and I’ll try to work this out for you. I have trade only and German connections that aren’t available to the public.

Edit: Dealers only go by what is on their computer screen so you’ll get the same answer regardless of what dealer you call. They’re literally looking at the same screen you can see on realoem. Sometimes BMW makes errors in their parts listings or removes previous revisions. If the parts guy doesn’t happen to know the part history from experience then they don’t know to look further back for the right part.

[FOURSIXTEEN]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

If you’re serious about obtaining one then PM me and I’ll try to work this out for you. I have trade only and German connections that aren’t available to the public.

Edit: Dealers only go by what is on their computer screen so you’ll get the same answer regardless of what dealer you call. They’re literally looking at the same screen you can see on realoem. Sometimes BMW makes errors in their parts listings or removes previous revisions. If the parts guy doesn’t happen to know the part history from experience then they don’t know to look further back for the right part.

Okay, understand. Yeah they are just zombies to a screen. Just would have hoped someone at some dealer had two brain cells to run together and some knowledge of their platforms....

I was about to PM you but I got a call back from one I found in Pensilvania at a BMW dealership there. I have already got it coming this way.

I will now have some underdrive puleys for sale soon hahaaha

[Patrón]

Originally Posted by FOURSIXTEEN

Run dont walk from this shop............ i mean... the tires!? da fuq

I guess they are were researching as well and the one common factor was wider tires? i don't agree with it unless they were 22" tires on 15 in wide wheels that weighed significantly more that stock but if the overall weight of my wheels and tire combo is lighter, don't see how this could be a culprit.

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

If you’re serious about obtaining one then PM me and I’ll try to work this out for you. I have trade only and German connections that aren’t available to the public.

Edit: Dealers only go by what is on their computer screen so you’ll get the same answer regardless of what dealer you call. They’re literally looking at the same screen you can see on realoem. Sometimes BMW makes errors in their parts listings or removes previous revisions. If the parts guy doesn’t happen to know the part history from experience then they don’t know to look further back for the right part.

[deansbimmer]

To be fair to the dealerships, it's unfair to expect any sales rep or tech to know all of the "gotchas" for any one model much less for the dozens of models in the current line up,
AND those over multiple previous generations. If that super-rep existed, they sure as heck wouldn't be working there getting paid what they do. It's BMW's fault for not maintaining better cross referenced parts listings and for deleting obsolete or discontinued parts from their database altogether.

[liquidsmoke]

Originally Posted by FOURSIXTEEN

The part number for the new replacement from Pelican is 32412283002 but the one off my car is 32412283041 and is super seeded by a 32412283003. I would of happily gotten the same exact part number if it was possible but no rebuilt pump available and nothing via BMW matched and all defaulted to the 002 part I ended up buying. My mechanic (Greg Smith Racing) mentioned seeing something regarding reverse threading on the feed tube and confusion as to why there were different pulleys, belts and tensioners part numbers for my vin in comparison to say a 2009 he had in shop getting a steering rack. He also saw some saying CCW and some saying CW with no other detail or explanation


Part numbers you will need for pulley/belt changes to run current steering pumps are;

Belt - 11287841529
Adjusting pulley with lever - 11287841527
Belt tensioner - 11287841546
Deflection pulley - 11287841531
Hex bolt - 07119906591
Protection Cap - 11287535867

Hi,
Thanks for the info. I was just browsing for a DIY having just ordered a reconditioned part from a power steering specialist in the UK, then stumbled onto this thread. Mine is a 2009 plate, but has a january 2008 build date. So the correct pump for me should be 32412283041 only is that right? 32412283002 and 32412283003 both turn the opposite way?

Thanks

[ALCOBENDAS]

In Germany have all you need.. i purchase one 041 reciently new bosch

[liquidsmoke]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

Yes the belt rotation stays the same. Belt over top of pulley = clockwise. Belt underneath = counterclockwise.

So if my belt goes over the top of the pas pump (CW rotation). Then which PAS pump do I need? The part number on my belt is 11287838200, so I'm guessing that means earlier type?

[jon-]

So am I correct in that the correct pump for an 07 car is 32412283041?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-U...frcectupt=true

So this would be correct with 228304102 printed on it? What's the 02?