ESS M3 Supercharger Update

[E92M3Guy]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

No E9x M3 supercharger system will 'pass' inspection in states like California. No one has a CARB compliant kit yet, and it's unlikely this will change in the near future.

In states where their is a visual pass/fail provision, you have no chance getting through. (unless you pay someone off)

Under normal circumstances, the moment you open the hood...

It's game over.

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[pepper]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

No E9x M3 supercharger system will 'pass' inspection in states like California. No one has a CARB compliant kit yet, and it's unlikely this will change in the near future.

In states where their is a visual pass/fail provision, you have no chance getting through. (unless you pay someone off)

Under normal circumstances, the moment you open the hood...

It's game over.

thank you,

[mixxer]

Thanks for the info Im just wondering if the heat exchanger could be even better? How do you have the tune setup to pull timing when IATS go up?

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by mixxer

Thanks for the info Im just wondering if the heat exchanger could be even better? How do you have the tune setup to pull timing when IATS go up?

The heat exchanger we are currently using is very efficient and works as designed. As the chart posted above noted we are seeing very minor gains in IAT's with 5-6 psi of boost. Our software is designed to correctly adjust timing when IAT temps require it.

[sales@ESSTuning]

Another 0-205 MPH video

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[KiokenM3]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

Another 0-205 MPH video

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damn, acceleration never hesitates between shifts. dct is impressive

[mixja]

Wow, 0-300km/h in around 28 seconds - check out the company http://www.fastestlaps.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392

[Green///Hell]

So good weather and some real tires will put this in the game with some top dogs on that list

Can't wait to get my system in Roman. Any way I could get a Gloss Black ESS badge for my trunk

[mixja]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

The heat exchanger we are currently using is very efficient and works as designed. As the chart posted above noted we are seeing very minor gains in IAT's with 5-6 psi of boost. Our software is designed to correctly adjust timing when IAT temps require it.

Seems that the Air-Water system is not doing the best job of removing heat - back in the day when I had an STI running 23PSI of boost on 2.2L engine (making around 450HP), my FMIC air-to-air intercooler would hold the intake air temps (as measured just before the throttle body, directly above intake manifold) at around 10-15C above ambient temperature, even on the dyno. So I'd expect intake air temperatures of around 110-130F at an ambient temperature of 90F for an intercooling system that has sufficient cooling capacity.

In your graph above, we are seeing telltale creep of intake air temperatures which indicates the heat exchanging capability of the intercooling system is reaching saturation. This is a common issue with air-to-water intercoolers - although they do a great job whilst the system is not saturated, once the system can no longer sink heat from the charge because the water cooling system is saturated with heat (because the heat exchanger can't cycle out heat to the atmosphere quickly enough), intake air temperatures start rising pretty rapidly.

I certainly wouldn't risk my car on a track for more than 5 minutes, even with safe levels of timing and tuning it rich, I think EGTs would become a problem with much more track time.

Granted when you are making 600HP you have significantly greater air mass to cool than my example (~33% more air mass) so I sympathize with anybody designing an intercooling system for this setup...

I'd be more comfortable with a properly matched air-to-air intercooler system although real estate at the front of the car becomes an issue here, and you add weight where you want it the least....

[mixxer]

I agree except not sure i would perfer air to air.

[IND-Distribution]

Wooow! I'm so excited to see one of these kits in person.

[mixja]

Originally Posted by mixxer

I agree except not sure i would perfer air to air.

Air-to-air is a more direct method of intercooling, basically the heat that is sunk into the intercooler is removed back into the air immediately. The intercoolers are bigger and heavier because air is not as effective at cooling than water, but they do work when they are properly sized and sourced from a reputable manufacturer.

Air-to-water has a more instantaneous cooling effect, because water absorbs heat more effectively than air, but it transfers absorbed heat to the heat exchanger, where heat is then removed to the atmosphere (i.e. air becomes the ultimate limiting factor as to how fast heat can be removed). Most of the heat exchangers you see are much smaller than air-to-air intercoolers, hence if you are continuously generating large amounts of heat (e.g. extended hard driving), the system eventually runs out of heat capacity and cooling diminishes...

General rule of thumb is air-to-water works great for the drag strip and normal daily driving, air-to-air is better for the track...

[boostedtwin]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

Current intro pricing is $8,995 / $11,995 / $12,995 for the 3 stages we currently offer. If you have questions on purchasing info please PM me.

The white car pictured above is a DCT equipped car that had our stage 2 5.5 PSI kit installed this week. It made 600 hp and 518 whp on a MAHA dyno today. This car goes home tomorrow

Good intro price for such a new kit on the E92. You peeps better jump on this quick. $8995 is awesome.

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by mixja

Air-to-air is a more direct method of intercooling, basically the heat that is sunk into the intercooler is removed back into the air immediately. The intercoolers are bigger and heavier because air is not as effective at cooling than water, but they do work when they are properly sized and sourced from a reputable manufacturer.

Air-to-water has a more instantaneous cooling effect, because water absorbs heat more effectively than air, but it transfers absorbed heat to the heat exchanger, where heat is then removed to the atmosphere (i.e. air becomes the ultimate limiting factor as to how fast heat can be removed). Most of the heat exchangers you see are much smaller than air-to-air intercoolers, hence if you are continuously generating large amounts of heat (e.g. extended hard driving), the system eventually runs out of heat capacity and cooling diminishes...

General rule of thumb is air-to-water works great for the drag strip and normal daily driving, air-to-air is better for the track...

We use both and they both work well. It really depends on the application and how effective you can make one or the other on any given platform. On this car you cannot run a very efficient air to air system without chopping up the car to fit it. If you do make it fit you will still be limited on how large of a FMIC you can use. If you look at many of the top high performance factory cars on the market Like Mercedes Benz supercharged AMG series and the new supercharged Corvette ZR1 they use air-water cooling systems. They dont do it because it is cheap, they do it because they know it works.

[Green///Hell]

Any pics of the cooling system and how it is mounted?
I'm guessing its on the underpanel and attached right below the radiator passing the lines to the side of the airbox, oh and about that badge lol

[Leozap]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

Another 0-205 MPH video

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WTF!!!!???? DCT is cheating. It shifts like lightning. Screw this, I am selling my car and get a DCT.

[mixja]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

We use both and they both work well. It really depends on the application and how effective you can make one or the other on any given platform. On this car you cannot run a very efficient air to air system without chopping up the car to fit it. If you do make it fit you will still be limited on how large of a FMIC you can use. If you look at many of the top high performance factory cars on the market Like Mercedes Benz supercharged AMG series and the new supercharged Corvette ZR1 they use air-water cooling systems. They dont do it because it is cheap, they do it because they know it works.

Agreed - I find it interesting that the G Power system uses an air-to-air intercooler - I guess they chop some of the body to fit it in...

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

We use both and they both work well. It really depends on the application and how effective you can make one or the other on any given platform. On this car you cannot run a very efficient air to air system without chopping up the car to fit it. If you do make it fit you will still be limited on how large of a FMIC you can use. If you look at many of the top high performance factory cars on the market Like Mercedes Benz supercharged AMG series and the new supercharged Corvette ZR1 they use air-water cooling systems. They dont do it because it is cheap, they do it because they know it works.

Well said Roman.

I'm dying to get a charger on my car!!!

[mixxer]

The gt500 uses air to water and we like to keep iat's below 120. Trust me we put down 1000hp and 900 trq to the wheels and the the air to water works well.

http://www.evoperform.com/shop/

[michaeldorian]

Rom3n, Did you guys officially launch at SEMA? Any updates or pics?

[BarryC]

Rom3n,

Can you summarize the $8995 kit? What's included and the expected hp?

Tried to PM but your box is full.

Thx,
BC

[SUB-ZERO]

Originally Posted by BarryC

Rom3n,

Can you summarize the $8995 kit? What's included and the expected hp?

Tried to PM but your box is full.

Thx,
BC

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