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M3 vs. C63 AMG Black Series
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/09/s...-black-series/ This set of spy photos landed in our inbox showing what appears to be a modified version of the giant-slaying Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG prepping for testing. Our spies indicate that this could be a high-powered Black Series version of the M3-killing C-Class, rumored to have around 510 horsepower. You know, because the standard 451-hp C63 just isn't sweet enough. We know that the next-generation C-Class is due to arrive within the next couple of years (before the facelifted version arrives in 2011), so perhaps this is a sort of last hurrah for the top-dog C63. We can clearly see the tacked-on wider fender flares and front wheels similar to those that debuted on the CLK Black Series a few years back, and our spies suggest that a larger front spoiler and new rear diffuser will be added, as well. Power will still come from the same 6.2-liter V8 currently found in the C63, mated to a seven-speed AMG Speedshift transmission. We're still a bit skeptical as to whether or not this is actually a full-on Black Series treatment. All we know is, we certainly wouldn't kick a 510-hp C63 AMG out of bed. |
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However this car needs a DCT trans like the SLS AMG to really make it a winner. If that happens coupled with the 5.5 TT motor it will be an interesting match up versus the highly modded GTRs.
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If they offered this car with a 6-speed manual I'd be very interested. Not gona happen though, so BMW is where its at by default
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11-10-2010, 12:04 PM | #9 |
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Giant slaying? M3-killing? Oh, they meant comparison-loosing...
I think the last thing the C63 needs is more power. It's like they didn't get the memo...
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You obviously fall in the VERY SMALL minority of people who get to enjoy your car in it's natural element. While in some ways I am jealous and wish I could spend some time on a road course in my car, unfortunately my schedule doesn't allow that. Again you are lucky.
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I personally don't doubt that the C63 is faster in a straight line, at least compared to my 6sp manual. But to my mind the performance is close enough that road conditions, traffic and ultimately confidence will have a bigger impact. And in Europe on the derestricted Autobahn usually the win comes to the car with the highest top speed limiter. Quote:
But again, to me it doesn't ultimately matter if one car is faster around a track by 1 second than another. The reasons I choose the M3 over the C63 are: availability of 6sp manual, adjustable suspension and overall balance. Seeing as those things most likely won't be addressed by a C63 black series, I'd still choose my M3 over one (even if other factors such as cost were the same).
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i would take the c63 amg black over the m3 every time though. 4 doors, killer look, killer sound, exclusivity.
it's a no brainer IMO unless you are tracking, then I can understand the argument about balance and lightness. i don't think the black would be any lighter nor balance than the m3 even in stock form. but for the price, it's gonna be hard not to think about the gt3 rs. but i hope they put the sls amg engine into the c63 amg black. don't like turbo vacuum sound for a car like the black. it needs to sound like thunder to wear that name. |
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I purchased my car as a DD. Simply I want to go to point A from point B in style and quickly. I just don't understand the many reviews and comments that get repeated on this forum about the M3's record on a road course when, however those owners have never seen a track or rarely will see a track. It's like purchasing a convertible but would rarely put the top down in nice weather. Oh well.
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The CLK 63 AMG Black Series has a manually adjustable suspension and is considered a very well balanced vehicle. My buddy has one and it is an incredible car from the rides I have taken in it. Not to mention the sound of that engine/exhaust is absolutely to die for. I couldn't agree more on the lack of 6-speed manual issue. It is the only reason Mercedes is never a consideration for me. |
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Although what I meant by adjustable suspension was "on the fly", aka EDC. I wouldn't know where to begin to adjust all those settings between street and track (an issue that the M3 GTS also shares apparently). Quote:
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My understanding is that the SLS uses an MCT not a DCT. The AMG Multi Clutch Transmission is essentially their very sophisticated automatic but with a multi plate clutch in place of the torque converter. As such very different to a dual clutch transmission, but a step in the enthusiasts direction for sure.
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510hp is exactly what that car needs just in case 15 minutes, which is how long the standard model takes to melt the tires down to the cords, is too long.
The current 451hp C63 handles around a track like a basset hound on wet ice.
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I've yet to see a picture or any detail about this elusive SLS transmission and I don't follow why it is more advanced than the BMW unit in the E9X M3. I spent a fair bit of time lurking at MBWorld .org over the years, I'll go back for another educational session. EDIT: This is the only image I've seen, and it is very difficult for me to identify where two clutch sets would sit to mange the ratios. http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/...ssis.0002.html
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Make no mistake, I'd love to own an SLS if I could. DCT flaws and all.
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I can only imaging the C63 is a blast to drive, especially on a daily basis. I just couldn't get over the interior and the pop up nav screen. IMO The interior on the BMW is much nicer. If a Black Series came along I might be able to get over the interior. Hopefully the next gen will have an interior I like.
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