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      04-26-2018, 06:27 PM   #111
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Yeah, I still don't understand the obsession that many M3 owners seem to have with the E93, like the owners were uninformed and accidentally bought the wrong one. I wanted the best 4-seat convertible I could find, and I think I was successful. I notice that I can push a button and make the roof go down much more than I notice that it weighs more than the other versions.

Makes me chuckle to see owners of 3700lb cars making jokes about how heavy someone else's car is.

WGAS?
If these obsessed dudes really cared about 60 times, they wouldn't have purchased their E90/E92.
I think the issues people have with the e93 are summed up here:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...take-road-test

It's 4100 lbs, quite a bit more than the other versions, so it's not nearly as adept at handling a twisty road, much less a track. It's also a lot less rigid. Jiggly, said the article. That being said, it's still a great car and as the article said, one of the best verts you can buy. It just isn't one of the best M3s you can buy.

I should also say that my coupe has a sunroof, and all of these cars have a full back seat, so no, they are not going to equal a corvette for speed. But I'm not going to notice the 40lbs difference from CF roof. I will notice the 500 lb difference from a folding metal roof.
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      04-26-2018, 09:45 PM   #112
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I think the issues people have with the e93 are summed up here:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...take-road-test
That's actually the article that probably convinced me to buy my E93. For those that didn't click, the subheading literally reads "The world’s best (actual) four-place convertible." It's an article that can be 'read' any way you want.

I hate to tell you, but if you bought an E9x as a dedicated track toy, you started with the wrong car.

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It's 4100 lbs, quite a bit more than the other versions, so it's not nearly as adept at handling a twisty road, much less a track. It's also a lot less rigid. Jiggly, said the article. That being said, it's still a great car and as the article said, one of the best verts you can buy. It just isn't one of the best M3s you can buy.
I'll let you in on a secret: I don't track my M3. It's a weekend toy that fits my family's use case perfectly. We enjoy taking it to brunch on Sundays. It's a very enjoyable car, and my use case is no sillier than those that DD them to work every weekday.

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I should also say that my coupe has a sunroof, and all of these cars have a full back seat, so no, they are not going to equal a corvette for speed. But I'm not going to notice the 40lbs difference from CF roof. I will notice the 500 lb difference from a folding metal roof.
See, and if I drove an E92 coupe, the first thing I'd notice is that there's no button that transforms the car from a coupe to a convertible in 15 seconds. And if I were inclined to drive an E92 on a track, the first thing I'd notice is the *700*(!) lbs more it weighs than my 4WD 911 coupe.

See how silly this game is? The E92 is a great GT car, but chopping the roof off and adding 400lbs doesn't harm it as much as starting at 3700lbs does in the first place. All iterations are fatasses--at least the E93 has an excuse.
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      04-26-2018, 10:14 PM   #113
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That's actually the article that probably convinced me to buy my E93. For those that didn't click, the subheading literally reads "The world’s best (actual) four-place convertible." It's an article that can be 'read' any way you want.

I hate to tell you, but if you bought an E9x as a dedicated track toy, you started with the wrong car.



I'll let you in on a secret: I don't track my M3. It's a weekend toy that fits my family's use case perfectly. We enjoy taking it to brunch on Sundays. It's a very enjoyable car, and my use case is no sillier than those that DD them to work every weekday.



See, and if I drove an E92 coupe, the first thing I'd notice is that there's no button that transforms the car from a coupe to a convertible in 15 seconds. And if I were inclined to drive an E92 on a track, the first thing I'd notice is the *700*(!) lbs more it weighs than my 4WD 911 coupe.

See how silly this game is? The E92 is a great GT car, but chopping the roof off and adding 400lbs doesn't harm it as much as starting at 3700lbs does in the first place. All iterations are fatasses--at least the E93 has an excuse.
My M3 actually was the first car I took to an HPDE event. It was heavy. It was also very balanced and forgiving. Much more so than any 911 would be. Understand that not everyone who goes to the track is looking to be the fastest around, but simply to learn, have fun, and enjoy. I don't think starting with any M3 on the track is bad. Starting with a 911 would be, or so many instructors have told me.

At any rate, notice I said that the E93 is an excellent convertible. It's just not a good M3.

As for how you use your car, I don't think there is a wrong way to use it? As long as you enjoy it. I'm sure the S65 sounds amazing with the top down. You must simply accept the compromises that come with it.

And the magic button you brag about? It doesn't make the roof go away, it just hides it in the trunk. I personally have never been a fan of any convertible, but I definitely see the appeal for those that do enjoy them. So I don't miss that feature.

Now, E93 guys are still cool. I still wave when I see them. I'm not saying I don't like the E93, ok?

Finally, here is an exert from the article, which can only be read one way really:

"The truth is that the convertible you see here isn’t much of an M3 beyond powerplant and badging. “Whaddya mean,” you wail. “It goes from 0 to 60 mph in under five seconds! It’s got 0.92 g of lateral grip! Plus the steering wheel’s all fat and full of colory stitching! Sounds like an M3 to me.”

Gone is the I-beam structural rigidity. Added are several hundred speed-sapping pounds of electric-top wizardry. Introduced are very un-M-like quivers and jitters. In our minds, the M3 badge stands for dynamic purity, and the (relatively) flexy chassis and porky curb weight of the convertible result in a dilution of that ideal.

So the M3 convertible isn’t an M3 in the truest sense."


So, great car. Great convertible. Not the best M3.
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      04-27-2018, 07:26 AM   #114
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I’m going to start a thread titled “what’s your favorite sandwich” and wait to see how long it turns into a vert vs the world argument
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I’m going to start a thread titled “what’s your favorite sandwich” and wait to see how long it turns into a vert vs the world argument
Seriously, or it will turn into a manual vs DCT argument
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I’m going to start a thread titled “what’s your favorite sandwich” and wait to see how long it turns into a vert vs the world argument
My favorite is BLT on an open faced bun.

BLT = DCT
Open faced bun = Convertible

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My favorite is BLT on an open faced bun.

BLT = DCT
Open faced bun = Convertible

Just sayin'

Double quarter pounder w/ extra cheese and mayo = e93
Double meat protein style = e90/92

6mt = hand cut fries
dct = chips
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My favorite is BLT on an open faced bun.

BLT = DCT
Open faced bun = Convertible

Just sayin'
Wouldn't that just be a bacon heavy salad with one large crouton on the bottom?
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My favorite is BLT on an open faced bun.

BLT = DCT
Open faced bun = Convertible

Just sayin'
Triple cheeseburger = convertible

Since it’s so heavy and fattening
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Double quarter pounder w/ extra cheese and mayo = e93
Double meat protein style = e90/92

6mt = hand cut fries
dct = chips
No
DCT = pomme frites
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DCT = pomme frites
Sounds fancy! 😀
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no words, just glares from soccer moms who let their 3 year olds run the neighborhood with no adult supervision, riding their bikes and never looking where they are going (i.e. zipping out of their driveways), but then look at me like I'm the problem because my car is a little loud.

then have the nerve to get on Facebook and tell people they need to look where they are going and watch out for their children (not me personally, btw, I drive slowly as I know there are unsupervised little crumb snatching bastards all over the place) while the parents are no where to be found.

get the fucking donut out of your mouth you 300lb sasquatch, supervise your kids and stop blaming everyone else for your laziness.

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no words, just glares from soccer moms who let their 3 year olds run the neighborhood with no adult supervision, riding their bikes and never looking where they are going (i.e. zipping out of their driveways), but then look at me like I'm the problem because my car is a little loud.

then have the nerve to get on Facebook and tell people they need to look where they are going and watch out for their children (not me personally, btw, I drive slowly as I know there are unsupervised little crumb snatching bastards all over the place) while the parents are no where to be found.

get the fucking donut out of your mouth you 300lb sasquatch, supervise your kids and stop blaming everyone else for your laziness.

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Checked your profile. All your posts are troll-like. Congrats.
Just like yours. Congrats.
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Triple cheeseburger = convertible

Since it’s so heavy and fattening
What a sickening troll post from a stinky troll.
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That's actually the article that probably convinced me to buy my E93. For those that didn't click, the subheading literally reads "The world’s best (actual) four-place convertible." It's an article that can be 'read' any way you want.

I hate to tell you, but if you bought an E9x as a dedicated track toy, you started with the wrong car.



I'll let you in on a secret: I don't track my M3. It's a weekend toy that fits my family's use case perfectly. We enjoy taking it to brunch on Sundays. It's a very enjoyable car, and my use case is no sillier than those that DD them to work every weekday.



See, and if I drove an E92 coupe, the first thing I'd notice is that there's no button that transforms the car from a coupe to a convertible in 15 seconds. And if I were inclined to drive an E92 on a track, the first thing I'd notice is the *700*(!) lbs more it weighs than my 4WD 911 coupe.

See how silly this game is? The E92 is a great GT car, but chopping the roof off and adding 400lbs doesn't harm it as much as starting at 3700lbs does in the first place. All iterations are fatasses--at least the E93 has an excuse.
I couldn't have said it better, but E93 troll haters can't understand a lot of these basic explanations.
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