ESS M3 Supercharger Update

CSMRX7 · 10-25-2009, 12:27 AM

Any Maha numbers for the smaller pulley kit?

GhostyM · 10-25-2009, 04:48 AM

We have 92 octane..

solutions?

600 hp kit or 650 kit?

RGuard250 · 10-25-2009, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

We have 92 octane..

solutions?

600 hp kit or 650 kit?

Hawaii runs 92 octane also, and sometimes i'm skeptical of the quality. What's the recommendation?

sales@ESSTuning · 10-25-2009, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSMRX7

Any Maha numbers for the smaller pulley kit?

Coming soon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

We have 92 octane..

solutions?

600 hp kit or 650 kit?

Unless you have quality 93 I would run 600.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGuard250

Hawaii runs 92 octane also, and sometimes i'm skeptical of the quality. What's the recommendation?

Same as above 600.

Lemans_Blue_M · 10-25-2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarryC

That chart is confusing to me. I thought s/c were more linear than that. So why does this kit have basically a step function in power rather than a more gradual one?

Thx,
BC

Barry,

The chart is setup up to display the power numbers in this fashion:

The line graph that goes almost straight up in a vertical trajectory (at low rpms) is the engine's torque output. The torque reading will always spike like this when you accelerate the car from idle.

Match that torque line with the red number scale on the RIGHT hand side of the dyno chart.

The line that has a trajectory of approx. 45 degrees, is the engine's horsepower output. As you can see, the power does increase in a linear fashion...which is exactly how it's supposed to with a centrifugal supercharger.

You match the horsepower line graph with the black number scale on the LEFT hand side of the dyno chart.

GhostyM · 10-25-2009, 01:59 PM

Make a 625 kit for us 92 octane peeps?

lol.

great job so far

Kev · 10-25-2009, 02:13 PM

Nice numbers, can't wait for the general release of the PnP kits.

disruptv · 10-25-2009, 02:37 PM

quick question

im in ny and we have 93 available

whats considered quality 93?

Lemans_Blue_M · 10-25-2009, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disruptv

quick question

im in ny and we have 93 available

whats considered quality 93?

Shell V-Power 93
Chevron /w/ Techron 93
Sunoco Ultra 93

BarryC · 10-26-2009, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Barry,

The chart is setup up to display the power numbers in this fashion:

The line graph that goes almost straight up in a vertical trajectory (at low rpms) is the engine's torque output. The torque reading will always spike like this when you accelerate the car from idle.

Match that torque line with the red number scale on the RIGHT hand side of the dyno chart.

The line that has a trajectory of approx. 45 degrees, is the engine's horsepower output. As you can see, the power does increase in a linear fashion...which is exactly how it's supposed to with a centrifugal supercharger.

You match the horsepower line graph with the black number scale on the LEFT hand side of the dyno chart.

Gotcha. thx!

TOOMANYCARS · 10-26-2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Shell V-Power 93
Chevron /w/ Techron 93
Sunoco Ultra 93

Damn, I guess I will have to stop going to Mobile for its fills.

mixxer · 10-26-2009, 10:57 AM

Those IAT'S look very high?

RGuard250 · 10-26-2009, 12:41 PM

Roman,

Post photos and detailed breakdown of each kit! Keep the momentum going, I know others and especially I are excited about the release.

sales@ESSTuning · 10-26-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixxer

Those IAT'S look very high?

Ambient temps were 90 deg in the shop during testing with extensive back to back runs on a high load dyno. The small fan that was in use cannot duplicate the air flow the front mount radiator recieves during road driving.

ersin · 10-26-2009, 08:59 PM

Another question on the graphs:

The top graph is shaft hp/tq and the lower one wheel hp/tq? Or is it results from two different kits?

sales@ESSTuning · 10-26-2009, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ersin

Another question on the graphs:

The top graph is shaft hp/tq and the lower one wheel hp/tq? Or is it results from two different kits?

Top is crank bottom is wheel from same car / same kit.

mixxer · 10-27-2009, 07:01 PM

I agree about the air but i would consider 130 + really high.

sales@ESSTuning · 10-28-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mixxer

I agree about the air but i would consider 130 + really high.

Well, the real IAT temperature increase made by the SC system is only 15-20F as seen by the readouts from the ECU IAT sensor signal. The ambient temperature listed was from the MaHa weather station and the max IAT reading was from the ECU IAT signal. The IAT as measured by ECU before boost (low RPM range) is in the high 120F range due to radiant engine bay heat from several pulls combined with high ambient temps. A 15-20F temperature increase with 5.5-6PSI boost is actually very good, especially given much lower airflow through the heat exchanger than in on-road conditions.

A stock SL65AMG was dynoed the same day and ECU IAT readings was in the 185-190F range under full boost.

Singletrack · 10-28-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Shell V-Power 93
Chevron /w/ Techron 93
Sunoco Ultra 93

Ehhh - I don't want to turn this into a gas debate, but my STi always use to have issues with Sunoco 93 - detonation and retarded timing. I ran BP 93 99% of the time and it never had a problem. I've kept that up with the M.

pepper · 10-31-2009, 03:03 PM

am I correct in California, this will not pass inspection ?

Kev · 10-31-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singletrack

Ehhh - I don't want to turn this into a gas debate, but my STi always use to have issues with Sunoco 93 - detonation and retarded timing. I ran BP 93 99% of the time and it never had a problem. I've kept that up with the M.

http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

Sunoco USA is not a part of Top Tier Gas

I have always used Mobil 93 when I was in Madison, WI and when I first moved to Boston on my C320 and later the E55 AMG. After all, it's the recommended gas by Mercedes Benz so I thought it should be fine. Until the closest Mobil gas station closed down and I started using the Shell gas station next door then I noted a difference in the engine response. Call it placebo, but I'm sticking with the Top Tier Gas companies for a while.

Lemans_Blue_M · 10-31-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepper

am I correct in California, this will not pass inspection ?

No E9x M3 supercharger system will 'pass' inspection in states like California. No one has a CARB compliant kit yet, and it's unlikely this will change in the near future.

In states where their is a visual pass/fail provision, you have no chance getting through. (unless you pay someone off)

Under normal circumstances, the moment you open the hood...

It's game over.

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10-26-2009, 10:57 AM	#254
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