EAS / Shift-S3ctor Dyno Day Results

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by regular guy

GKim

The dyno notes say: Gregory, 13 M5: "Alex @ Alpine" Press File"

I'm not sure what that means. Is this car stock, or does it have some type of ECU tune?

[flipm3]

Very interesting to see the difference in AFR and Ignition between the Comp Package M6 and Stock M5 (w/ or w/o Press File).

Love seeing this stuff!

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by regular guy

The dyno notes say: Gregory, 13 M5: "Alex @ Alpine" Press File"

I'm not sure what that means. Is this car stock, or does it have some type of ECU tune?

Press file is supposedly a very weak tune based on the DAMOS file.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Soorena

Press file is supposedly a very weak tune based on the DAMOS file.

Is it supposed to yield results lower than the stock tune? This is lower than any stock M5/M6 dyno I've seen. Greg (owner) mentioned that another stock M5 pulled 3 cars on him on a roll-on.

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Is it supposed to yield results lower than the stock tune? This is lower than any stock M5/M6 dyno I've seen. Greg (owner) mentioned that another stock M5 pulled 3 cars on him on a roll-on.

I have no idea what's going on with these cars. Some show gains with tune, some show no gains and this clearly shows it lost power. To be precise the S63tu tunes which all are sourced from one place BTW aren't actually what you might consider a real tune. It's one of DAMOS file's more aggressive settings that DME accepts without showing any errors. It even can't eliminate CEL or top speed limiter. Did the car have catless DPs?
He should get a piggy till someone cracks the DME.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Soorena

I have no idea what's going on with these cars. Some show gains with tune, some show no gains and this clearly shows it lost power. To be precise the S63tu tunes which all are sourced from one place BTW aren't actually what you might consider a real tune. It's one of DAMOS file's more aggressive settings that DME accepts without showing any errors. It even can't eliminate CEL or top speed limiter. Did the car have catless DPs?
He should get a piggy till someone cracks the DME.

So these cars have been out for what...almost two years? Interesting that no one has been able to crack the DME for a successful flash. The dual Bosch ECUs have proven to be extremely formidable.

How are the piggy's doing? I presume owners are getting intermittent CELs and other bothersome attributes of a typical piggy. ??

So for the new M3/4's with presumably the same (or even more sophisticated tune prevention), what are the prospects of getting more power? I would think very limited, at least initially. Curious about your thoughts.

[SouthShoreM3]

Great info Drew. You guys on the west coast have a whole other thing going on that we on the east coast can only hope to achieve one day.

This numbers for the new E63 and that ZL1 are absolutely crazy. That is a ton of power no matter how you splice it. Even when the car is hitting fuel cut off these vehicle are still well over or close to 500+ whp and torque.

That VF kit is certainly running strong as well. The M3 with the 625 kit. Was it running a catless set up as well or was it HFC and resonators?

Nevertheless looks like a lot of fun as always. Should try and branch out the Shift Sector event to the East coast.

With the right personnel in place to get it off the ground and running (which we know is a tremendous amount of work and time away from our day jobs). It could be something to consider.

Great car Drew. We all know how much blood, sweat and probably some tears (happiness of course) you and several others have put into this car. Really amazing.

[pbonsalb]

What about putting the new Vortech V2-Ti Trim on the VT3 750? More boost at same pulley ratio, or the same flow at less boost, compared to a V2-T Trim or V2/V3 Si Trim.

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

What about putting the new Vortech V2-Ti Trim on the VT3 750? More boost at same pulley ratio, or the same flow at less boost, compared to a V2-T Trim or V2/V3 Si Trim.

Two buddies of mine are going to do that. One engine is done, just waiting on the blower to arrive. The other is still a few months off.

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

So these cars have been out for what...almost two years? Interesting that no one has been able to crack the DME for a successful flash. The dual Bosch ECUs have proven to be extremely formidable.

How are the piggy's doing? I presume owners are getting intermittent CELs and other bothersome attributes of a typical piggy. ??

So for the new M3/4's with presumably the same (or even more sophisticated tune prevention), what are the prospects of getting more power? I would think very limited, at least initially. Curious about your thoughts.

BMW were serious when they said they are going to make it hard for aftermarket tuners. The N63 is out even longer, and only DINAN has a proper flash tune. If you put a catless DP on that engine, DME would lower boost target! Talk about unfriendly platforms. I can only imagine things would be even harder for the S55.

With Burger Motorsport piggy you get the same problems that people (You are N54 former owner, right?) had with them in N54 platform. The twin JB+ setup doesn't allow more than 2-3 psi but for the money and the power (low 600s) there is nothing to beat them at the moment.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Soorena

BMW were serious when they said they are going to make it hard for aftermarket tuners. The N63 is out even longer, and only DINAN has a proper flash tune. If you put a catless DP on that engine, DME would lower boost target! Talk about unfriendly platforms. I can only imagine things would be even harder for the S55.

With Burger Motorsport piggy you get the same problems that people (You are N54 former owner, right?) had with them in N54 platform. The twin JB+ setup doesn't allow more than 2-3 psi but for the money and the power (low 600s) there is nothing to beat them at the moment.

Yeah a friend of mine has catless downpipes and while he dyno'd high (590 to the wheels), he can't go faster than 130mph otherwise he triggers a CEL/limp (checksum overboost seems to be triggering). He doesn't have a tune...but not sure a tune could even cure this. Can the piggys prevent DME controls from intervening sustained WOT? While I don't know for certain, the M5/M6's have vanished from our SoCal airstrip events. Some owners have mentioned to me that it's pointless to go because their mods trigger limps in the triple digits.

The future doesn't seem promising for the M3/4.

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Yeah a friend of mine has catless downpipes and while he dyno'd high (590 to the wheels), he can't go faster than 130mph otherwise he triggers a CEL/limp (checksum overboost seems to be triggering). He doesn't have a tune...but not sure a tune could even cure this. Can the piggys prevent DME controls from intervening sustained WOT? While I don't know for certain, the M5/M6's have vanished from our SoCal airstrip events. Some owners have mentioned to me that it's pointless to go because their mods trigger limps in the triple digits.

The future doesn't seem promising for the M3/4.

You will need full control over the DME to properly add power to these new turbo motors and not have issues. We are working on the M5/M6 now but it is a challenge that will take some time. The new M3/M4 will be no different.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

We are working on the M5/M6 now but it is a challenge that will take some time. The new M3/M4 will be no different.

That is OK since it will be some time before I can afford either . . . .

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Is it supposed to yield results lower than the stock tune? This is lower than any stock M5/M6 dyno I've seen. Greg (owner) mentioned that another stock M5 pulled 3 cars on him on a roll-on.

More like 4 cars, lol.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by SouthShoreM3

Great info Drew. You guys on the west coast have a whole other thing going on that we on the east coast can only hope to achieve one day.

This numbers for the new E63 and that ZL1 are absolutely crazy. That is a ton of power no matter how you splice it. Even when the car is hitting fuel cut off these vehicle are still well over or close to 500+ whp and torque.

That VF kit is certainly running strong as well. The M3 with the 625 kit. Was it running a catless set up as well or was it HFC and resonators?

Nevertheless looks like a lot of fun as always. Should try and branch out the Shift Sector event to the East coast.

With the right personnel in place to get it off the ground and running (which we know is a tremendous amount of work and time away from our day jobs). It could be something to consider.

Great car Drew. We all know how much blood, sweat and probably some tears (happiness of course) you and several others have put into this car. Really amazing.

Thank you, I really appreciate your feedback. Not sure what the exhaust setup was on that VT625. Shift-S3ctor does indeed plan to branch out in other places around the country.

[SouthShoreM3]

Drew,

You are more than welcome. You and your M3 are a pioneer and limit pusher and most importantly an inspiration for many of us.

I am not sure who oversees the business side of this event and if you have involvement. Would love to try and discuss off line perhaps how I could get involved. I may not work for a tuner or aftermarket company for sponsorship, but I believe it could be of value both ways in terms of marketing and sponsorship. Many of us enthusiasts have a career outside of our cars. Perhaps there could be some value on both ends for events and branching out the potential ShiftSector brand.

Feel free to PM me.

Cheers all and again great stuff. I went to a Ferrari car show at the breakers in west palm on Saturday. Talk about beauty, soul as inspiration. Those Ferraris from the 60s are just amazing.

Andrew

[e92livin]

What x-pipe is Drew running? first page of thread it says Macht Schnell X pipe, I thought that car had the ESS x pipe on it.. Never knew Macht Schnell had a x pipe.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by SouthShoreM3

Drew,

You are more than welcome. You and your M3 are a pioneer and limit pusher and most importantly an inspiration for many of us.

Thanks man, means a lot to hear stuff like that.

Originally Posted by SouthShoreM3

I am not sure who oversees the business side of this event and if you have involvement. Would love to try and discuss off line perhaps how I could get involved. I may not work for a tuner or aftermarket company for sponsorship, but I believe it could be of value both ways in terms of marketing and sponsorship. Many of us enthusiasts have a career outside of our cars. Perhaps there could be some value on both ends for events and branching out the potential ShiftSector brand.

I'm very involved with them, let me talk to them and see where they're at with that. I will let you know, thanks again.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by e92livin

What x-pipe is Drew running? first page of thread it says Macht Schnell X pipe, I thought that car had the ESS x pipe on it.. Never knew Machet Schnell had a x pipe.

I was running an ESS prototype Xpipe, then eventually got their Xpipe with Cats, but decided I wanted to go cat less, I had to send the xpipe back to ESS and in the mean time I'm running the Macht Schnell, looks like it's a good choice, bit thanks to Tom as well. The Final ESS x-pipe should be back on soon with 4 resonators this time, no cats.

[regular guy]

KWelch

Car and Modifications:

• 2013 BMW M5
• Charcoal Filter Delete
• Muffler Delete
• 91 Octane
• DCT

Conditions (Dynojet Weather Station):

• Temperature:: 87.10 degrees F
• Atmospheric pressure: 30.03 inHg
• Humidity: 5%
• Density Altitude: 2002 Ft.
• SAE Correction: 0.982
• STD Correction: 1.008
• Uncorrected: 1.000

Results:

• SAE Corrected: 552whp @ 6630 RPM, 516wtq @ 3080 RPM
• STD Corrected: 566whp, 529wtq
• Uncorrected: 562whp, 525wtq

Dyno Database:

• Dyno files are available from the links below.
• SAE Corrected, STD Corrected, Uncorrected

Individual Dyno Results:
Individual dyno results are shown below. The legend below has the following meaning:

• Dyno Run: Dyno run file
• Timestamp
• Temp(F) = Temperature (Farenheit)
• RelH = Relative Humidity
• Pressure(Hg) = Barometric Pressure
• DA(ft) = Density Altitude
• IAT(F) = Intake Air Temperature (Farenheit)
• WHP(unc) = Uncorrected wheel horsepower
• WTQ(unc) = Uncorrected wheel torque
• WHP(SAEd) = Dynojet SAE corrected wheel horsepower (SAE-1349)
• WTQ(SAEd) = Dynojet corrected wheel torque (SAE-1349)

* Entry used for the Dyno Database

Graphs:

SAE Correction:

Dyno Chart:


Engine Vital Statistics:


Engine Vitals Combined:


STD Correction:



Uncorrected:

[Longboarder]

^ ^ ^ ^ nice numbers Kalon.

Yesterday Terry Burger dyno'd at Specialty Z and made some insane numbers...around 580/550 bone stock uncorrected on 93+ octane and then threw his piggyback on it and did something like 630/630 on 3-4 pulls and best yet no limps! Terry's going with us to Famoso this weekend and I'd love to see this thing break into the high 10's.

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

^ ^ ^ ^ nice numbers Kalon.

Yesterday Terry Burger dyno'd at Specialty Z and made some insane numbers...around 580/550 bone stock uncorrected on 93+ octane and then threw his piggyback on it and did something like 630/630 on 3-4 pulls and best yet no limps! Terry's going with us to Famoso this weekend and I'd love to see this thing break into the high 10's.

Those dyno results are already in the S63 Dyno Database @ www.s63dynos.com.

Baseline:
http://www.s63dynos.com/showDyno.php?recID=645

Tuned:
http://www.s63dynos.com/showDyno.php?recID=648