MSS Height Adjustable Suspension

FC5 · 01-03-2022, 11:13 AM

Looks like MSS has finally come out with an application for E9X M3s, here's a YouTube video from Evolve unboxing and installing on their E92 M3:

I've been scouring threads looking for the best solution for myself, honestly I don't track and just want to get rid of the wheel gap, I was looking everywhere between Swift Spec R springs and Ohlins R&T. I doubt I'll really adjust as I don't drive the car during winter, however want to maximize the drop, which was why I was looking for adjustable. Seems like springs give an okay drop while still having wheel gap, and the latter is a roughly $3k solution with ECD cancelling modules. Looks like this might be my solution.

Thoughts? Seems like the F chassis guys are happy with their MSS suspensions.

Altamont · 01-05-2022, 12:46 AM

I cannot seem to find these in the states just yet. Does anyone have an opinion on this kit versus the KW HAS kit?

tdott · 01-05-2022, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Altamont

I cannot seem to find these in the states just yet. Does anyone have an opinion on this kit versus the KW HAS kit?

It looks like this kit is easier to install. The HAS kit requires you to hammer off the perch and hammer on the new one which is a PITA and not easily reversible without damaging.

The problem with both will be suspension travel, there is not much travel with the stock setup, lowering it too much without changes to increase travel (Dinan ride kit or shaved top mounts w/e36 bump stops) with make it ride like crap.

DanMpower · 01-05-2022, 12:27 PM

I run the MSS kit on my 8V RS3, a fantastic kit but quite expensive for just adjustable springs, they're priced almost as much as a set of full coilovers.

The ride is better than stock, has no noises, and works perfectly with the adjustable magnetic dampers. I'd be interested to get a set for my E92 once available... if it doesn't cost $1500+

FC5 · 01-08-2022, 09:31 AM

New video up by Evolve covering driving impressions and how the car looks visually with the kit installed.

MouseMike · 01-11-2022, 02:10 AM

More interested in their custom valved Bilstein B6 struts and shocks setup.

JJH · 01-11-2022, 05:08 AM

I watched the two Evolve videos on the kit with interest. They are certainly on the pricey side and from my quick search, only seem to be available from Evolve and the UK at the moment. I noticed the perches are stamped ‘Made in the UK’ and spotted an Eibach logo on the smaller black multi-rate springs. I will watch with interest for further tests and feedback.

Throatpunch · 01-11-2022, 07:49 AM

Shouldn't there be a locking mechanism for the threaded collar? - it seems like it has the ability to spin on the thread when there is no load on the collar

DanMpower · 01-11-2022, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Throatpunch

Shouldn't there be a locking mechanism for the threaded collar? - it seems like it has the ability to spin on the thread when there is no load on the collar

Yeah, I had the same concern when I installed this kit on my RS3 but it hasn't moved at all since installation.

spammysammich · 01-11-2022, 10:58 PM

There's no locking mechanism on the rear spring adjuster of my clubsports and they don't move.

Imran@Evolve · 01-18-2022, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MouseMike

More interested in their custom valved Bilstein B6 struts and shocks setup.

I've been testing these over the last week or so. Will share more details soon.

Imran@Evolve · 01-18-2022, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JJH

I watched the two Evolve videos on the kit with interest. They are certainly on the pricey side and from my quick search, only seem to be available from Evolve and the UK at the moment. I noticed the perches are stamped ‘Made in the UK’ and spotted an Eibach logo on the smaller black multi-rate springs. I will watch with interest for further tests and feedback.

MSS are are UK based company. All machined parts are Made in the UK and the springs are made by Eibach in Germany to MSS specifications.

We can supply these worldwide.

6spdvert · 02-05-2022, 07:59 PM

Imran@Evolve - this definitely is promising.. any recent news on the offering?

uniesse · 02-11-2022, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

I've been testing these over the last week or so. Will share more details soon.

Hi Imran, very keen for an update!

Imran@Evolve · 02-14-2022, 03:48 AM

More updates coming soon. Testing has gone well and we almost are ready to sign off on the new Evolve x Bilstein EDC Dampers.

IMG_20220210_170401_961 by Evolve Automotive, on Flickr

wyatth · 02-15-2022, 12:15 AM

Very interested in those dampers!

Curious if I missed it, what are the spring rates in the MSS kit? I get it's progressive, in a sense, but presume the separate rates may be helpful for consideration.

Your dampers + MSS might be an interesting alternative to the B16 coilovers, which have been hard to source. Or they could be a great alternative to OE hardware when the factory shocks fatigue, since the normal Bilsteins seem to raise the car.

Dr Ed · 02-17-2022, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

More updates coming soon. Testing has gone well and we almost are ready to sign off on the new Evolve x Bilstein EDC Dampers.

IMG_20220210_170401_961 by Evolve Automotive, on Flickr

Very interested in these as well. I watched your video addressing these front dampers would "fix" the increased ride height from the previous version. Will this apply to the rears as well? Will it "lower" it instead of "raising" the ride height? Thanks.

Imran@Evolve · 02-18-2022, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Ed

Very interested in these as well. I watched your video addressing these front dampers would "fix" the increased ride height from the previous version. Will this apply to the rears as well? Will it "lower" it instead of "raising" the ride height? Thanks.

We have designed them to be used with lowering springs and these new MSS HAS kits. I've road tested it with stock ZCP springs and the ride/handling is very good but didn't take any ride height measurements. we will switch them back at some point before release to provide this information.

betacris · 03-02-2022, 04:29 PM

Imran@Evolve

March news/updates on this kit??

Imran@Evolve · 03-03-2022, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by betacris

Imran@Evolve

March news/updates on this kit??

The MSS kits are in stock.

We have signed off the Evolve x Bilstein Dampers and waiting for production. Bilstein are having some delays at the moment due to Covid etc so we expect them to land in 2 months or so.

OmairK · 03-14-2022, 10:03 PM

Great! iA will purchase them! Thanks, Imran!

MikeYQM · 03-17-2022, 07:15 PM

Stupid question, would the 0 lowering setting for these be stick height for a regular or ZCP M3?

01-03-2022, 11:13 AM	#1
FC5 Enlisted Member 15 Rep 36 Posts Drives: 2008 BMW M3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: U.S.A. iTrader: (0)	MSS Height Adjustable Suspension Looks like MSS has finally come out with an application for E9X M3s, here's a YouTube video from Evolve unboxing and installing on their E92 M3: I've been scouring threads looking for the best solution for myself, honestly I don't track and just want to get rid of the wheel gap, I was looking everywhere between Swift Spec R springs and Ohlins R&T. I doubt I'll really adjust as I don't drive the car during winter, however want to maximize the drop, which was why I was looking for adjustable. Seems like springs give an okay drop while still having wheel gap, and the latter is a roughly $3k solution with ECD cancelling modules. Looks like this might be my solution. Thoughts? Seems like the F chassis guys are happy with their MSS suspensions.
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Altamont New Member 2 Rep 5 Posts Drives: '74 2002, '11 M3, '16 Touring Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	I cannot seem to find these in the states just yet. Does anyone have an opinion on this kit versus the KW HAS kit?
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01-05-2022, 12:27 PM	#4
DanMpower Colonel 3234 Rep 2,160 Posts Drives: BMW M3s and a Red VW Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Southern CA iTrader: (28)	I run the MSS kit on my 8V RS3, a fantastic kit but quite expensive for just adjustable springs, they're priced almost as much as a set of full coilovers. The ride is better than stock, has no noises, and works perfectly with the adjustable magnetic dampers. I'd be interested to get a set for my E92 once available... if it doesn't cost $1500+ Last edited by DanMpower; 01-05-2022 at 12:34 PM..
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JJH Major 544 Rep 1,107 Posts Drives: IB E92 M3 DCT; SG E90 325i Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Canberra, Australia iTrader: (1)	I watched the two Evolve videos on the kit with interest. They are certainly on the pricey side and from my quick search, only seem to be available from Evolve and the UK at the moment. I noticed the perches are stamped ‘Made in the UK’ and spotted an Eibach logo on the smaller black multi-rate springs. I will watch with interest for further tests and feedback. __________________
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Throatpunch Captain 365 Rep 674 Posts Drives: 2008 E93 M3 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Philly, PA iTrader: (0)	Shouldn't there be a locking mechanism for the threaded collar? - it seems like it has the ability to spin on the thread when there is no load on the collar
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wyatth Colonel 3549 Rep 2,824 Posts Drives: E90 ZCP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Very interested in those dampers! Curious if I missed it, what are the spring rates in the MSS kit? I get it's progressive, in a sense, but presume the separate rates may be helpful for consideration. Your dampers + MSS might be an interesting alternative to the B16 coilovers, which have been hard to source. Or they could be a great alternative to OE hardware when the factory shocks fatigue, since the normal Bilsteins seem to raise the car. Last edited by wyatth; 02-15-2022 at 12:31 AM..
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