BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Engine, Transmission, Exhaust, Drivetrain, ECU Software Modifications
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-15-2020, 11:30 AM   #45
Jive
Lieutenant
Jive's Avatar
156
Rep
580
Posts

Drives: 2013 E92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

A dry sump doesn’t add hp directly but rather helps free up parasitic hp. Probably in combination with cams, pulley, cf ds, larger throttle bodies, 100 oct, aggresive tuning, etc., 500whp doesn’t seem so far fetched.
Appreciate 2
911r889.00
wyatth3548.50
      11-15-2020, 12:05 PM   #46
SYT_Shadow
///M Powered for Life
SYT_Shadow's Avatar
11469
Rep
10,328
Posts

Drives: E90M/E92M/M4GTS/M4GT4/X5M
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Greenwich, CT

iTrader: (2)

Dinan quotes crank hp. 500 crank hp is nothing to write home about

They also quote good things for their 4.6L strokers, but then when those engines are dyno'd against other options make the least power -- see the stroker shootout done years ago. Has everyone forgotten about that already?

Dinan hopefully builds good engines but doesn't have the first clue of how to tune them.

Last edited by SYT_Shadow; 11-15-2020 at 02:21 PM..
Appreciate 1
911r889.00
      11-23-2020, 09:14 AM   #47
amrazM
mTekMods
amrazM's Avatar
United_States
2132
Rep
2,893
Posts

Drives: like a granny.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Manhatan

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow View Post
Dinan quotes crank hp. 500 crank hp is nothing to write home about

They also quote good things for their 4.6L strokers, but then when those engines are dyno'd against other options make the least power -- see the stroker shootout done years ago. Has everyone forgotten about that already?

Dinan hopefully builds good engines but doesn't have the first clue of how to tune them.
according to troy jeup they also dont know how to build them as none of the dinan 5.8L s85's really lasted that long
__________________
2011 Frozen Black/Fox Red E90 M3 650+WHP

G-Power Supercharged
First DCT to Manual Conversion Worldwide
KW CS, BBS RI-A, BW Headers, Snow 2.5
Appreciate 0
      11-23-2020, 10:37 AM   #48
SYT_Shadow
///M Powered for Life
SYT_Shadow's Avatar
11469
Rep
10,328
Posts

Drives: E90M/E92M/M4GTS/M4GT4/X5M
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Greenwich, CT

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by amrazM View Post
according to troy jeup they also dont know how to build them as none of the dinan 5.8L s85's really lasted that long
Troy says a lot of things. I would 100000x trust Dinan before Troy. I mean, I trusted a piece of cereal I picked off my floor this morning more than Troy. But to each their own


I am no Dinan apologist, but one of the two companies was hired by BMW M Motorsport to design and build the P65, the race version of the S65. And it was not Troy.


I would say that the correct statement is 'no stroker engine lasts that long'. And it's pretty true. It isn't somehow isolated to Dinan. Unlike most, Dinan warranties all their engines for 2 years/24k miles unless it is used in competition. DEs are covered.

Last edited by SYT_Shadow; 11-23-2020 at 11:14 AM..
Appreciate 5
OG Shark4685.50
911r889.00
Scharbag2619.00
tdott3938.00
      11-23-2020, 01:20 PM   #49
OG Shark
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
OG Shark's Avatar
4686
Rep
2,541
Posts


Drives: Angry
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Spring Branch, TX

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow View Post
I mean, I trusted a piece of cereal I picked off my floor this morning more than Troy.


I am no Dinan apologist, but one of the two companies was hired by BMW M Motorsport to design and build the P65, the race version of the S65. And it was not Troy.


I would say that the correct statement is 'no stroker engine lasts that long'. And it's pretty true. It isn't somehow isolated to Dinan. Unlike most, Dinan warranties all their engines for 2 years/24k miles unless it is used in competition. DEs are covered.

Not if it was Lucky Charms - that Leprechaun is shady as fck...

And that's the problem with strokers - for what they cost they sure seem to be a big mixed bag of reliability - and power gains. I eventually wanted to go the stroker route when I retired my race car from competition - but I have changed those plans. And glad the 292s look like they have the potential to hold me over until then as well.
Appreciate 1
SYT_Shadow11468.50
      12-11-2020, 01:47 PM   #50
gte869h
Upgraded from e46fanatics
gte869h's Avatar
United_States
27
Rep
60
Posts

Drives: 2011 BMW M3 6MT ZCP
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Miami, FL

iTrader: (0)

One day I’ll post a full build thread when I finish the project, but for those in Miami area they are familiar with the car. DINAN 4.6, did 292 install sourced from Steve with engine in car, and base tune from EPIC. Very satisfied with results thus far. Car is very quick for all motor setup. A few more gains to be had as currently on pump 93.
Appreciate 3
      12-11-2020, 05:30 PM   #51
omgzirra_exe
Lieutenant Colonel
omgzirra_exe's Avatar
United_States
1462
Rep
1,674
Posts

Drives: 4.4L M3, IS300
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Long Beach, CA

iTrader: (0)

4.4L w/ 292 cams incoming. this thread makes me want to do things i dont want to...
__________________
Build: ZillaSpec M3 N1 Build
M3Post Track General Discussion: Discord
#fakeGTS
Appreciate 2
SYT_Shadow11468.50
Scharbag2619.00
      01-31-2021, 05:21 AM   #52
Epoustouflant
Banned
Canada
1164
Rep
451
Posts

Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (0)

I am in advanced discussions with Schrick AVL on a group buy for 292 camshaft with valve springs and titanium upper retainers.

They will make a special manufacturing batch for us. I have a quotation on hand and just working out final terms with them. They are very intrigued and willing to support us factory direct.

Your jaws will drop at discount in this connect. We're getting attention from mega companies and I'm loving it 🙏
Appreciate 8
slcook541863.00
akkando5863.00
Exclusivs540.50
Scharbag2619.00
ganz150.00
///Mobbin1476.50
Rochen_00349.50
      01-31-2021, 06:23 AM   #53
Redd
Brigadier General
3894
Rep
4,157
Posts

Drives: 2010 BMW E92 M3 Dakar Edition
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Malaysia

iTrader: (0)

Epos can you slow down a bit pls. My bank account can't keep up with all the GB. Lol
Appreciate 3
slcook541863.00
Scharbag2619.00
      01-31-2021, 06:31 AM   #54
Epoustouflant
Banned
Canada
1164
Rep
451
Posts

Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redd View Post
Epos can you slow down a bit pls. My bank account can't keep up with all the GB. Lol
I'm hoping some brands will start offering PayPal finance. I'm pushing!

https://www.paypal.com/us/business/buy-now-pay-later
Appreciate 2
slcook541863.00
bhup0925.00
      02-01-2021, 04:25 AM   #55
Rochen_00
Second Lieutenant
Rochen_00's Avatar
350
Rep
259
Posts

Drives: M3 e92
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Catalonia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redd View Post
Epos can you slow down a bit pls. My bank account can't keep up with all the GB. Lol
+1000!!!
__________________
Instagram: @m_rochen

Alpinemss Tuned | Tecnocraft E9X ///M3 Envy™ Intake System | MS Pulleys | Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust | Ohlins Road&track| BBK Brembo 6p Front & Brembo 4p Rear| H&R Stabilisator| Solid subframe bushings| full spherical bushings| Recaro pole position
Appreciate 0
      02-01-2021, 04:52 PM   #56
wyatth
Colonel
3549
Rep
2,823
Posts

Drives: E90 ZCP
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

^ Lol, seriously!
Appreciate 0
      06-22-2021, 07:20 PM   #57
s0ldats
First Lieutenant
54
Rep
334
Posts

Drives: 2011 E90 M3 stripper
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: socal

iTrader: (0)

sooooo where we at with these cams... lol
Appreciate 1
akkando5863.00
      06-25-2021, 02:12 AM   #58
akkando
Major General
akkando's Avatar
5863
Rep
6,634
Posts

Drives: 17 M2 DCT LBB,11 e90 M3 ZCP IB
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by s0ldats View Post
sooooo where we at with these cams... lol
Let's gooooooo
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2021, 09:27 PM   #59
s0ldats
First Lieutenant
54
Rep
334
Posts

Drives: 2011 E90 M3 stripper
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: socal

iTrader: (0)

i'm going to be attempting the 292 cams into a stock motor. anyone else? or is everyone doing a stroker setup
Appreciate 2
      07-12-2021, 01:49 PM   #60
Propoflurane
Registered
0
Rep
4
Posts

Drives: 2008 e92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Kansas

iTrader: (0)

Sub’d
Appreciate 0
      01-08-2022, 02:05 PM   #61
KawBoy
Lieutenant
155
Rep
561
Posts

Drives: 2012 E92 M3
Join Date: May 2012
Location: SE FL

iTrader: (2)

TTT
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2022, 05:39 PM   #62
///Mobbin
Colonel
///Mobbin's Avatar
1477
Rep
2,672
Posts

Drives: m3
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Houston

iTrader: (3)

Would love to see some more 292 results if anyone has them. Also curious what tuners folks are using and if they have any packaged 292 tunes or if dyno tuning is required?
__________________
2021 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio | 2.9L | Trofeo White Tri-Coat | 8-spd
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2022, 02:33 AM   #63
pumper206
80 Deep, We All Eat!!!
pumper206's Avatar
Taiwan
66
Rep
643
Posts

Drives: 2009 AW E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Seattle,Wa

iTrader: (5)

If you haven't yet, try reading 'STROKER BUILD' thread. Lots of good info…
Appreciate 1
///Mobbin1476.50
      02-28-2022, 09:14 AM   #64
nycplumber
Major
682
Rep
1,226
Posts

Drives: slow
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: nyc

iTrader: (0)

Lol people still going on with 292 cams in a 4.0. It's a waste lol. Funny how some people who have no clue about engines or tuning were bashing companies like Dinan. Then once their backyard stroker build blew up they realized all the sudden Steve Dinan is a 'genius.' When people like Steve Dinan and Randy from Epic say cams are a waste it's probably safe to say the average forum dweller has no clue what they're talking about, as usual

Last edited by nycplumber; 02-28-2022 at 09:35 AM..
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2022, 12:37 PM   #65
alfalfa
Private
39
Rep
61
Posts

Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Munich

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nycplumber View Post
Lol people still going on with 292 cams in a 4.0. It's a waste lol. Funny how some people who have no clue about engines or tuning were bashing companies like Dinan. Then once their backyard stroker build blew up they realized all the sudden Steve Dinan is a 'genius.' When people like Steve Dinan and Randy from Epic say cams are a waste it's probably safe to say the average forum dweller has no clue what they're talking about, as usual

I think we already had that discussion.

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=292
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2022, 01:47 PM   #66
pumper206
80 Deep, We All Eat!!!
pumper206's Avatar
Taiwan
66
Rep
643
Posts

Drives: 2009 AW E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Seattle,Wa

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nycplumber View Post
Lol people still going on with 292 cams in a 4.0. It's a waste lol. Funny how some people who have no clue about engines or tuning were bashing companies like Dinan. Then once their backyard stroker build blew up they realized all the sudden Steve Dinan is a 'genius.' When people like Steve Dinan and Randy from Epic say cams are a waste it's probably safe to say the average forum dweller has no clue what they're talking about, as usual
Guess you haven't read the "STROKER Build" thread yet either…
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:48 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST