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      01-31-2019, 12:23 PM   #1
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BMW CCA HPDE/Time Trial/Club Racing School @ Buttonwillow 03/23-03/24

https://www.motorsportreg.com/events...-school-249596

2-day HPDE is $395. That's less than $200 per day.

Data coaching is $250 on top if you're A+/A solo*.

Club Racing School is $475**.

Time trial is $395.

The HPDE is a killer deal, especially considering you get right seat if you're intermediate or novice. Heck even for A+/solo it's a damn good deal simply for track time.

* I don't know if you need to provide your own data acquisition or if the $250 includes AIM Solo units. Don't ask me, check with the organizers (I'm not running this show this time).

** Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Pacific Region the BMW CCA Club Racing school qualifies you for competition license with NASA and SCCA, so this is actually a pretty good deal in that one school, when you pass, grants you competition license with 3 separate orgs. I think there are other organizations in the region that also recognizes BMW CCA CR school as a sanctioned club racing school. Sorry I should know better, but I don't. Even though I've done the race school multiple times, I never bothered to apply for a competition license (time, money, and family and all).

For the DE guys, the spots are filling up FAST if you want to do intermediate or novice schools. Take a look at the wait-listed instructors on the list. That x2 is the number of students we can still accommodate. On a quick glance, it's well past 70% capacity at this point. Hop on it quick or else you'll find yourself outside looking in.

Time-trial guys, there's 7 cars signed up right now. There's going to be complete and absolute OPEN TRACK. Zero traffic. Even if that doubles to 14 or 15 cars, it's still going to be absolutely the ideal time to set some personal bests. No more worrying or managing traffic to get a clean lap.

Just keep in mind, this isn't the common and popular 13CW configuration that most other organizations run, it's 1CCW (counter-clockwise). Running all the way to Star Mazda adds about 5-7 seconds to your lap time, so while you're setting track records, you're setting track records for 1CCW, not 13CW.
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Sounded great until I read 1CW and that's where you lost me.
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You get more track for what you pay for.
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I like 1CW... It's a fun configuration CCW too!

However, the sweeper is such a great tool to teach throttle steering it's a shame it's not being used.
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Maybe the CCA should go back to Chuckwalla for more throttle steering practice??

I thought the email said something about all groups with instructors except data? Doesn't matter to me. I plan on going.
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Maybe the CCA should go back to Chuckwalla for more throttle steering practice??

I thought the email said something about all groups with instructors except data? Doesn't matter to me. I plan on going.
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Yeah, I failed epically there on the last turn (CW) right after my knee surgery. I throttle steered myself all the way around...
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Nice to know the instructors have an off sometimes too!
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Nice to know the instructors have an off sometimes too!
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Ironically, it was my first ever off as an instructor. I managed to put two off at Laguna at O'Fest at the exit of 6 (bad place to do that). Clipped the exit cone with the left front of the car so technically "I hit the exit". That was the last event I instructed at as I self-retired. Drove Summit Point last summer and haven't seen a track since (except on TV).

Miss it but life has twists and turns, just like a good track.
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Looks like A- group is full.
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Hack, My buddy when to an Audi Event and I thought this was a good idea. Color coded passing zones per run group.

They have 2 instructor run groups X and Y and 20 minute sessions. If they had 1 instructor run group, you could run 25 min sessions and have more A students and run 4 normal sized groups instead of 3 big groups.
I don't know who to pass this onto and you're here.
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https://www.motorsportreg.com/events...-school-249596

2-day HPDE is $395. That's less than $200 per day.

Data coaching is $250 on top if you're A+/A solo*.

Club Racing School is $475**.

Time trial is $395.

The HPDE is a killer deal, especially considering you get right seat if you're intermediate or novice. Heck even for A+/solo it's a damn good deal simply for track time.

* I don't know if you need to provide your own data acquisition or if the $250 includes AIM Solo units. Don't ask me, check with the organizers (I'm not running this show this time).

** Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Pacific Region the BMW CCA Club Racing school qualifies you for competition license with NASA and SCCA, so this is actually a pretty good deal in that one school, when you pass, grants you competition license with 3 separate orgs. I think there are other organizations in the region that also recognizes BMW CCA CR school as a sanctioned club racing school. Sorry I should know better, but I don't. Even though I've done the race school multiple times, I never bothered to apply for a competition license (time, money, and family and all).

For the DE guys, the spots are filling up FAST if you want to do intermediate or novice schools. Take a look at the wait-listed instructors on the list. That x2 is the number of students we can still accommodate. On a quick glance, it's well past 70% capacity at this point. Hop on it quick or else you'll find yourself outside looking in.

Time-trial guys, there's 7 cars signed up right now. There's going to be complete and absolute OPEN TRACK. Zero traffic. Even if that doubles to 14 or 15 cars, it's still going to be absolutely the ideal time to set some personal bests. No more worrying or managing traffic to get a clean lap.

Just keep in mind, this isn't the common and popular 13CW configuration that most other organizations run, it's 1CCW (counter-clockwise). Running all the way to Star Mazda adds about 5-7 seconds to your lap time, so while you're setting track records, you're setting track records for 1CCW, not 13CW.
Club racing school does not qualify you for a NASA or SCCA license. Even after passing school you still have to apply separately for BMWCCA racing license. That being said, school is on of the most fun things I have done. It will definitely teach you some stuff and build your confidence.
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