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      11-14-2018, 11:38 AM   #45
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Received our built 4.5 low compression engine from David and the team at Carbahn Autoworks. This S65 will be receiving a ESS supercharger ontop.
Great experience working with Carbahn !
Pics to come in a new post once installation begins !
Thanks David !
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Received our built 4.5 low compression engine from David and the team at Carbahn Autoworks. This S65 will be receiving a ESS supercharger ontop.
Great experience working with Carbahn !
Pics to come in a new post once installation begins !
Thanks David !
Who's going to tune it?
Any warrantee? And if so if something (god forbid) goes south who's responsible? ESS? Carbahn? Tuner?
This always seemed a problem with me. If the build has input from different entities who takes responsibility for the outcome?
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Who's going to tune it? Any warrantee? And if so if something (god forbid) goes south who's responsible? ESS? Carbahn? Tuner?
This always seemed a problem with me. If the build has input from different entities who takes responsibility for the outcome?
Warranty on a supercharged stroker? I don't know Carbahn's official stance on such a build but traditionally when pushing the capability of a platform the owner foots the bill regardless of outcome. Not fair to hold any one entity financially responsible when you find the limit during your experimentation. If Carbahn (or whoever) were to develop their own 700hp all inclusive system then there may be an option of a warranty since every aspect would be under their control but even then it's unlikely due to the potential for abuse.
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Warranty on a supercharged stroker? I don't know Carbahn's official stance on such a build but traditionally when pushing the capability of a platform the owner foots the bill regardless of outcome. Not fair to hold any one entity financially responsible when you find the limit during your experimentation. If Carbahn (or whoever) were to develop their own 700hp all inclusive system then there may be an option of a warranty since every aspect would be under their control but even then it's unlikely due to the potential for abuse.
True, as far as once it's in your hands. Prior to that each step of the build has potential risks. Imagine if you will a scenario where, during tuning, your not "pushing the limits" and the head gasket blows out. Is anyone at fault? Engine builder? Tuner? Setup? That potential headache would make me nervous.

That's why I have an all inclusive system. I agree that once handed over to me I'm on my own. But if something breaks during the build I don't have to pay to get the finished product.
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CARB legal?
The S3 is carb legal, the S3R isn’t.
I actually put a stock x pipe and tune on my s3-r and it passed California smog.
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I actually put a stock x pipe and tune on my s3-r and it passed California smog.
Yup..

Did the same, then put the x pipe back on with the other Dinan tune!
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Warranty on a supercharged stroker? I don't know Carbahn's official stance on such a build but traditionally when pushing the capability of a platform the owner foots the bill regardless of outcome. Not fair to hold any one entity financially responsible when you find the limit during your experimentation. If Carbahn (or whoever) were to develop their own 700hp all inclusive system then there may be an option of a warranty since every aspect would be under their control but even then it's unlikely due to the potential for abuse.
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True, as far as once it's in your hands. Prior to that each step of the build has potential risks. Imagine if you will a scenario where, during tuning, your not "pushing the limits" and the head gasket blows out. Is anyone at fault? Engine builder? Tuner? Setup? That potential headache would make me nervous.

That's why I have an all inclusive system. I agree that once handed over to me I'm on my own. But if something breaks during the build I don't have to pay to get the finished product.

I will speak for myself, but to justify a $20-30K engine build from a company that advertises experience in the racing world from 1979, it is only acceptable to provide a warranty on such a build.

Engine builders love blaming the tuners for poor work, and vice versa. Thus, a combined hardware/software upgrade as a package would the ideal package.

Sorry I am not willing to invest in such a thing without a warranty!
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I actually put a stock x pipe and tune on my s3-r and it passed California smog.
Which S3R...?

I may be confused, but weíre talking about the stroker v8, not the 1m...
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I will speak for myself, but to justify a $20-30K engine build from a company that advertises experience in the racing world from 1979, it is only acceptable to provide a warranty on such a build.

Engine builders love blaming the tuners for poor work, and vice versa. Thus, a combined hardware/software upgrade as a package would the ideal package.

Sorry I am not willing to invest in such a thing without a warranty!
Iím not sure if they offer a warranty or not. Since itís a built engine, in house, it may have..?
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Curious why the new 4.1L capacity when Carbahn already have a 4.2L kit available?

Issues with the 4.2?
The 4.1 or 4.5 is with low compression pistons designed for forced induction.
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      11-20-2018, 09:27 AM   #57
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Iím not sure if they offer a warranty or not. Since itís a built engine, in house, it may have..?
I would think so, that is someone's hard earned $20k!
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I will speak for myself, but to justify a $20-30K engine build from a company that advertises experience in the racing world from 1979, it is only acceptable to provide a warranty on such a build.

Engine builders love blaming the tuners for poor work, and vice versa. Thus, a combined hardware/software upgrade as a package would the ideal package.

Sorry I am not willing to invest in such a thing without a warranty!
Then You are not the target customer. Things mostly turn out ok in life with reputable people. Sometimes they go awry. If you arenít willing to take that risk then you are the target customer of new car companies or Dinan tuning that will warranty such items.

Using the underlying Dinan tech here should give you great comfort. If it doesnít then thatís more of an issue with your personal comfort level. Which is totally understandable. Everyone is different.
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Warranty on a supercharged stroker? I don't know Carbahn's official stance on such a build but traditionally when pushing the capability of a platform the owner foots the bill regardless of outcome. Not fair to hold any one entity financially responsible when you find the limit during your experimentation. If Carbahn (or whoever) were to develop their own 700hp all inclusive system then there may be an option of a warranty since every aspect would be under their control but even then it's unlikely due to the potential for abuse.
You explained it correctly.
Carbahn built this engine as many others for shops and race teams to the specifications given before the build began.
They will warranty their work and parts installed.
But if a client ruins their engine based on abusing the car, there will be evidence of such and of course no warranty at that point.
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Who's going to tune it?
Any warrantee? And if so if something (god forbid) goes south who's responsible? ESS? Carbahn? Tuner?
This always seemed a problem with me. If the build has input from different entities who takes responsibility for the outcome?
Warranty from the engine builder "Carbahn" is on for the parts and work they provided. There had been lengthy conversations with ESS, Carbahn and other companies involved on every detail on this build before it took place.
Carbahn is not currently offering built turn-key packages yet.
Emission's is something Carbahn wants to continue to focus on and if its not CARB legal, they wont offer it from my understanding.
I will share more about this build as it progresses begins and is finished.
This will be a solid build with the respected and trusted partners in our industry
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Emission's is something Carbahn wants to continue to focus on and if its not CARB legal, they wont offer it from my understanding.
That's outstanding that they can achieve CARB legal. With the right set of pipes does that mean street legal (not counting the SC of course)?

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Should be a beast. Look forward to it
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I actually put a stock x pipe and tune on my s3-r and it passed California smog.
Which S3R...?

I may be confused, but we’re talking about the stroker v8, not the 1m...
I owned an e92 m3 s3-R. I later took the 4.6L out of it, and put it into my 1series.
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I owned an e92 m3 s3-R. I later took the 4.6L out of it, and put it into my 1series.
Awesome!
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That's outstanding that they can achieve CARB legal. With the right set of pipes does that mean street legal (not counting the SC of course)?


Should be a beast. Look forward to it
This build will not be carb legal.
Its intended for track fun
Built differential, stop tech brakes, full suspension.. receiving the works
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Why would you do this over a SC kit though...
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Why would you do this over a SC kit though...
It's a 4.5 litre designed for a blower.
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