Track forum general chit chat.

[torrque]

I just want to add that it was my first time with this car on track, and although it was pushing to 100F outside, the engine never went past mark between 210 and 300, which is what, 255 ?
Outside of brakes letting me down, it behave great. I felt almost as quick as my GT350R

[okusa]

Originally Posted by torrque

I just want to add that it was my first time with this car on track, and although it was pushing to 100F outside, the engine never went past mark between 210 and 300, which is what, 255 ?
Outside of brakes letting me down, it behave great. I felt almost as quick as my GT350R

Don't get too excited as there is nothing magical about your car. As soon as you upgrade to stickier tires and start pushing it harder you will overheat just like the rest of us.

[dparm]

He's a 6MT, probably has a little more headroom since the car isn't constantly in a narrow RPM range near redline like the DCT.

[kyippee]

This was fun.. took my daily to the track, with the only mod vs. stock being brake fluid

[dparm]

Did it last an entire session without pulling power to combat heat?

[kyippee]

I don't know if it pulled power - I didn't notice any. Temps were not bad. Around 98C coolant (208F) and 114C (237F) oil according to the "secret menu" temp display.

What I did notice is that the car is much more loose than I've become used to with my M3! It is ready to oversteer. The PSS tires also didn't like me beating on them.

[bbnks2]

Originally Posted by kyippee

I don't know if it pulled power - I didn't notice any. Temps were not bad. Around 98C coolant (208F) and 114C (237F) oil according to the "secret menu" temp display.

What I did notice is that the car is much more loose than I've become used to with my M3! It is ready to oversteer. The PSS tires also didn't like me beating on them.

much shorter wheel base 97.2" vs 112.5" while also having significantly more torque at lower rpms.

[kyippee]

Agreed.. the oversteer on throttle application takes some adjusting to get used to. It needs to be smoother or later!

[OG Shark]

Originally Posted by torrque

I just want to add that it was my first time with this car on track, and although it was pushing to 100F outside, the engine never went past mark between 210 and 300, which is what, 255 ?
Outside of brakes letting me down, it behave great. I felt almost as quick as my GT350R

Have you tracked your GT350R?

[roastbeef]

Speaking of the gt350… my friend's gt350 just blew up during normal driving. Never been tracked, early oil intervals. Bad rod bearings.

[Kelse92]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

Speaking of the gt350… my friend's gt350 just blew up during normal driving. Never been tracked, early oil intervals. Bad rod bearings.

They’re starting to be known for doing that. And the part that really sucks about them is that Shelby has to receive the motor out and ship a new one to your dealer, the dealers can’t touch that motor. So replacing it takes forever… my Ford dealer friends hate it

[omgzirra_exe]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

Speaking of the gt350… my friend's gt350 just blew up during normal driving. Never been tracked, early oil intervals. Bad rod bearings.

my brother had to send his in after 2 weeks of ownership to replaced the oil line lol

[roastbeef]

From what he described of the process- ford is using their dealer techs for tear down and diagnosis. He basically got a new motor though.

[redpriest]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

From what he described of the process- ford is using their dealer techs for tear down and diagnosis. He basically got a new motor though.

I know someone who has gone through 3 motors, all replaced under warranty.

Found
On
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Dead

[leftfootbr8king]

When the warranty period is over values are going to sink.

[_X]

Originally Posted by leftfootbr8king

When the warranty period is over values are going to sink.

Possible, but doubtful, as some 2016s are out of warranty and still going for $50k plus. The car is just too good and too special.

The number of failures is also a bit overblown, just like rod bearings on the e92 M3s sending rods through blocks. I have had conversations with a few techs at a few dealerships and most are not encountering oil consumption issues with the Gen II Voodoo motors.

The replacement motors are warrantied for one year with unlimited miles and transfer to new owners in the event of a sale. If the motor is affected it seems to demonstrate significant oil consumption within a few thousand miles. That said, the engines will consume oil very similarly to many M motors, so it sort of comes with the territory of ownership of a high revving power plant.

[dparm]

The GT350 engine failure rate is definitely above average. The motor was rushed through development, Ford doesn't even try to hide it -- they were really gung-ho about making the FPC V8. The issues are valvetrain or NVH, it seems, which checks out given the engine's design. Remember that it is an FPC motor but is a bit of a bastardization of one.

I even had a friend who went through 4 motors in 2 different cars along with two transmissions. Every time, it was either the valves or valve springs that broke after only a few thousand miles. Both cars got lemon'ed and he ended up with a Corvette.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by _X

That said, the engines will consume oil very similarly to many M motors, so it sort of comes with the territory of ownership of a high revving power plant.

Absolutely not.

And then there's the oil-consumption issue: Over 40,000 miles, we added 21.5 quarts of 5W-50. That's in addition to scheduled oil changes. It's the most we've ever added during a long-term test by a long shot. Ford released a supplement to the owner's manual stating that the engine might consume a quart every 500 miles under severe use. "Severe use" pretty accurately sums up our treatment of just about any car, but particularly one with an 8250-rpm redline. And we were lucky; internet forums are rife with horror stories of Shelbys consuming far more.

With oil changes mandated every 7500 miles, having to add 21/5 quarts is not in the same universe as any M car ever built.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...lity-update-3/

Super cool car for sure, but let's not pretend its engine is normal, or in the vicinity of normal.


I suppose we'll have to wait for a C8 Z06 for an american plat plane engine that functions like a normal car

[dparm]

21.5 quarts over 40k? At that rate, you are pretty much doing a rolling oil change lol...

[OG Shark]

I had a 17 GT350R - cool car for sure but got tired of the oil issues. It drank it and then decided it spew it on the floor of my garage. Long story short sold it back to the Ford dealership I buy from for what I paid for it a year earlier (one of their managers wanted it). Enjoyed the car just not enough for the attention it required at that time. Some have had no issues with theirs too - just luck of the draw.

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I suppose we'll have to wait for a C8 Z06 for an american plat plane engine that functions like a normal car

Yeah like that won't overheat in a couple of laps - still a Chevy

[dparm]

Originally Posted by OG Shark

Yeah like that won't overheat in a couple of laps - still a Chevy

Chevy won't make that mistake again. The new Z06 motor is already running in the C8.R and has been solidly reliable.

[OG Shark]

Originally Posted by dparm

Chevy won't make that mistake again. The new Z06 motor is already running in the C8.R and has been solidly reliable.

Hopefully not - but the cooling systems in the C8.R and the street car will be different. Hopefully they get it right this time.