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10-28-2008, 02:03 PM | #1 | |
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Corvette ZR-1 knocks four seconds off 'Ring time, now at 7:22!
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10-28-2008, 04:19 PM | #3 | |
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Oh no, did you have to say that word "Cheat", here we go again, s**t I don't want to go though 14 pages of this again.
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I did not utter nor type those words (..but footie, on the other hand....). Inferred? Depends on how you view my statement. I'm just stating that the circumstances are different in this situation.
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10-29-2008, 12:02 AM | #7 | |
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Let me commit. Of course I am not going to be 100%. There is not enough evidence and I am only going to use one small bit of the evidence available. I'll word it a bit like Greenspan (well much firmer than that, but you get the point). A very preliminary look at the ZR1 based solely on power to weight regression reveals an over performer on the N'Ring. However, statistically the level at which it is an over performer, say compared to the GT-R, is truly worlds apart. Way, way less of an over performer than the that GT-R. Also using the Z06 as a gage for a loosely similar car, it is much more of an over performer for its specs. All that being said the 7:22 time itself is not strong evidence for specification for that car to be different than factory/production specifications. Taking it one step further a time for the ZR-1 about 7:10 or better would lead me down the road to begin some serious questioning along the lines of my GT-R questioning. We are waiting for your thoughts foot. |
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10-29-2008, 09:37 PM | #10 |
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Not as amazing as your unwillingness to commit any opinion at all. I'd rather be wrong and have a decent reason for my opinion than to not have one at all.
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10-30-2008, 02:58 AM | #11 |
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I hope GM release the video to this lap so we can compare the GTR to it and see where the Vette is making up time. Like it's hardly going to be going around the corners much quicker so it's logical to think the time is mostly being made up on the straights.
Would you concur swamp or would that put into question your original thread else where? |
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10-30-2008, 02:19 PM | #13 | |
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On the serious side the ZR1 is an amazing car, lots of tech and unreal power to weight. I would love to drive one but certainly would not want to own one. I am not a fan of 2 seats, its looks nor its likely ability as a good daily driver. |
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Find me a single awd car which pulls a good figure on a skidpad. Anyway lateral Gs doesn't equal speed in the corner, just thought I would share that with you. I use to drive things that pull more than 3Gs in the corners. |
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10-30-2008, 05:32 PM | #16 | |
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10-31-2008, 03:11 AM | #17 | |
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I promise I won't go on a crusade to prove you wrong on this statement, just to say that the printing of skidpad g figures are very misleading and really bear nothing with true life. Each corner effect each car differently and you can quite often get less Gs with more speed and vice-versa. In fact check out the data I provided on the EVO supercar test at the ring (the CXX vs ENZO) as a perfect example of this. Flugplatz Enzo 100.3mph G Force 1.56 - CXX 104.0mph G Force 1.39 Hohe Acht Enzo 66.9mph G Force 1.52 - CXX 69.3mph G Force 1.53 Brunnchen Enzo 65.7mph G Force 1.46 - CXX 65.9mph G Force 1.52 A much better gauge is the corner speed instead. The ZR1 is a great handling car, of that there is little doubt but when the track is as bumpy as the ring is the chances of a perfect lap being achieved like the way it would be possible in the GTR are very slim. I would go out of a limb and say that both the ACR and ZR1 could pull a 10 second gap on the GTR if every corner clicked perfect, meaning another 3 seconds is there. As for driver factoring into these equations, when the driver is from Formula One background and has been there through it's development I would say a comfortable 8 seconds maybe more over someone like Horst when the condition are identical and maybe 3 seconds over someone with equal skill if unfamiliar with the car but familiar with the track. |
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10-31-2008, 02:45 PM | #18 | |
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g force = speed^2/(corner radius x gravity constant) |
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