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      03-22-2019, 12:41 AM   #507
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I wonder what BMW got from Toyota because all I see so far is BMW. I also find stupid to give Toyota the full BMW interior. Kind of dumb...

Anyway, this one is a Coupe which is a very smart move, there are more Coupe people than Cabrio people, but BMW doesnt care, right?
In top, if this is build by and has a Toyota reliability, many will jump on it.
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I wonder what BMW got from Toyota because all I see so far is BMW. I also find stupid to give Toyota the full BMW interior. Kind of dumb...

Anyway, this one is a Coupe which is a very smart move, there are more Coupe people than Cabrio people, but BMW doesnt care, right?
In top, if this is build by and has a Toyota reliability, many will jump on it.
The reliability should be the same as the BMW that shares the same components, What BMW may have gotten is lots of Hybrid Tech where I believe Toyota is a leader ( all my opinion, I truly have no idea what they got ).
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Hope this isn't a sign of things to come:

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26848/s...-their-engines
Thatís not good. With how complex or specialized working on BMW engines can be these days it may be a sign of things to come. BMW likes to over or re-engineer things in its own ways. Simple becomes complex, so it very well may be...
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First 2020 Toyota Supra Rolls off Assembly Line at Magna Steyr Plant in Austria



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New Toyota GR Supra Races off the Production Line

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In early March, the first production version of the all-new Toyota GR Supra rolled off the production line at the Magna Steyr, Graz Plant in Austria. But customers shouldn't get their hopes up of getting their hands on the first production model―this one is already taken!

The rights to the phantom matte gray Supra, VIN 20201―"2020" for the year, "1" marking the first production model out of the production line―with red mirror caps, matte black wheels, red interior with carbon-fiber inserts, and an engine cover signed by Toyota Motor Corp. President Akio Toyoda, was previously auctioned for charity at the 48th Annual Barrett-Jackson Auction at West World Scottsdale in Arizona. The winning bid for was for $2.1 million, and the proceeds of the first of the fifth-generation Supra went to support the American Heart Association (AHA) and the Bob Woodruff Foundation (BWF).

On the line-off of the Supra, Toyota Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada said
"Without the support of all the various people and parties related to the Supra, this day could not have come true. Partnerships come in many forms, and our partnership with BMW has been a new experience for both of our companies. We appreciate the enthusiasm and aspiration of everyone that has helped Supra become one of the most anticipated and exciting cars coming out this year. Thanks to you, I am proud to say that Supra has turned out to be a very exciting car.

Nobi Nakamura, project chief designer for the Supra, also commented, saying
"It was exciting to see the first Supra roll off the line! Though we had our set of challenges, we believe this Supra will show the passion, thoughtfulness, and commitment that we have all had as we designed this iconic sports car and can't wait to see both old and new Supra fans all over the world on the roads soon."

To prepare for the Supra line-off, Toyota engineers traveled to the Graz Plant several times and performed quality checks together with the production members.

The Supra is slated to go on sales from around the spring of 2019 in several countries worldwide.

GR Supra development team, at Magna Steyr Graz Plant

About Magna Steyr
Magna Steyr was founded in 2001 as a subsidiary of Magna International, a major auto parts manufacturer established in 1950. The company consigns development and assembly from auto manufacturers and signed a contract with BMW concerning production consignment in 2001. Forecast for 2019 sales is $40.2 - $42.4 billion.
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Toyota also makes another Killer I6 overseas that has made even more power than the 2JZ its called the 1FZFE and its made over 1800HP DOHC 4.5 liters (2J has as well, Just another engine they make ).

So without a doubt Toyota has the skill and the know how x1000 they just cheaped out which is strange for the worlds largest auto manufacturer.
That's not cheaping out, that's just common sense from the manufacturer perspective. There's no way I'd develop an entirely new engine family just for this car unless it was modular and available for use across multiple platforms. That's ridiculous especially in a time when profit margins are steadily declining.

People forget that the 1JZ and 2JZ had multiple homes. That wouldn't be the case with a one off engine.
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      03-26-2019, 06:43 PM   #512
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I think these look so much better than than those fugly two tone wheels.





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Yeah, anything is better than the awful wheels BMW has been sourcing recently.
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      03-27-2019, 10:28 PM   #514
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That's not cheaping out, that's just common sense from the manufacturer perspective. There's no way I'd develop an entirely new engine family just for this car unless it was modular and available for use across multiple platforms. That's ridiculous especially in a time when profit margins are steadily declining.

People forget that the 1JZ and 2JZ had multiple homes. That wouldn't be the case with a one off engine.
Totally get that but you dont think the motor could of also been used in the IS350 / and multiple other lexus's that are RWD?

Not arguing just discussing ( i know internet tone is hard to read, So dont want you to think I disagree )... Just figured they could of made their own I6 which also could of doubled down as an i4 aka modular. But either or in the day of hybrids and electrics im glad we have yet another I6 RWD Turbo and even if its Toyota badged ( Legacy & Name Aside ) it will be a great modable car im sure. If anything we will drag other companys into the BMW fold that would of never made aftermarket BMW parts.
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It is going to be a popular car and over the years it will evolve into something people will appreciate.
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It is going to be a popular car and over the years it will evolve into something people will appreciate.
Or it could go the way of the Mitsubishi 3000GT...
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      03-30-2019, 10:32 PM   #517
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The red mirrors look terrible, if I bought one of those cars I'd fix those immediately.
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Is this car really that narrow or all those guys sumo wrestlers and the pictures aspect ratio is off?
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The red mirrors look terrible, if I bought one of those cars I'd fix those immediately.
Those only come with the launch edition. The regular cars have black mirrors.

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Is this car really that narrow or all those guys sumo wrestlers and the pictures aspect ratio is off?
I think it's just the cam and angle. It's actually wider than the A80.

In other news, Supra in blue.


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The car looks best in grey or blue. Not sure why but it does. Itís a bit like the z4 coupe really.
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I was always bothered by its look then I realize it looks a bit too toy-ish for the money and for the advertised performance. It's like they took the Toyota 86 and decided to make as little change as possible. In the $30K range then it's probably not a problem but not at mid $50K to $60K range. In this price range people are looking for a bit of a luxury but I don't see it in the design.

Toyota can look at the Alfa Romeo 4C for a little bit of a lesson in designing a small 2dr sport car.
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2020 Toyota GR Supra Sold Out In the UK

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As expected of the GR Supra, ďthere will be 300 owners in the UK during the first year of the carís launch.Ē All of them are spoken for despite the fact production in Graz, Austria started a handful of days ago.

No fewer than 900 have been allocated for Europe in 2019, and yes, every last one of them has sold out as well. As far as pricing is concerned, the United Kingdom gets the GR Supra from £52,695 while the A90 Edition levels up to £56,945 on-the-road. Care to guess how much the Z4 costs in this part of the world?

The BMW-badged sibling is £36,990 in the UK, capable of 149 miles per hour and 6.6 seconds from naught to 62 miles per hour. Of course, the M40i is more expensive, packing more suck-squeeze-bang-blow than the entry-level variant. The Supra, on the other hand, comes with the 340-horsepower B58 inline-six turbo engine from the get-go, hence the higher starting price.

500 Nm of torque allows the rear-wheel-drive coupe to accelerate to 62 mph in 4.3 seconds, and if you keep your foot planted to the loud pedal, the ZF 8HP transmission allows you to hit 155 mph. Before you do that, make sure youíre driving on the race track or on the Autobahn.

Toyota of UK lists seven exterior colors for the GR Supra, starting with Prominence Red. The others are Black Metallic, White Metallic, Deep Blue Metallic, Silver Metallic, Ice Grey Metallic, and the eye-catching Lightning Yellow. An 8.8-inch touchscreen infotainment system with Supra Connect comes standard, together with Smart Entry and push-button start.

A digital combi-meter and head-up display are standard on the 3.0-liter Pro trim level, but youíll have to wait until 2020 for that model to arrive in the United Kingdom. Looking at the bigger picture, itís hard to understand why Toyota is limiting production numbers instead of allowing Supra enthusiasts to buy the car in all variants possible, right now.

Exclusivity and heritage? Forget that, the A90 doesnít live up to the hype nor does it compare to the previous generation of the Supra. You know, the one with the 2JZ engine?
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Totally get that but you dont think the motor could of also been used in the IS350 / and multiple other lexus's that are RWD?

Not arguing just discussing ( i know internet tone is hard to read, So dont want you to think I disagree )... Just figured they could of made their own I6 which also could of doubled down as an i4 aka modular. But either or in the day of hybrids and electrics im glad we have yet another I6 RWD Turbo and even if its Toyota badged ( Legacy & Name Aside ) it will be a great modable car im sure. If anything we will drag other companys into the BMW fold that would of never made aftermarket BMW parts.
Toyota already has a relatively new line of V6s both NA and twin turbo that can be used for both FWD and RWD.

Again, no use in creating a new engine that isnít cost effective. It would be like BMW developing a V6 just to use in its FWD-based platforms and the i8.
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Toyota already has a relatively new line of V6s both NA and twin turbo that can be used for both FWD and RWD.

Again, no use in creating a new engine that isnít cost effective. It would be like BMW developing a V6 just to use in its FWD-based platforms and the i8.
That's what happens when you build boring cars for 20+years
You forget how to build exciting things
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Toyota already has a relatively new line of V6s both NA and twin turbo that can be used for both FWD and RWD.

Again, no use in creating a new engine that isn’t cost effective. It would be like BMW developing a V6 just to use in its FWD-based platforms and the i8.
That's what happens when you build boring cars for 20+years
You forget how to build exciting things
But instead you can buy one off the shelf from a brand coming off their worst series of cars ever.
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But instead you can buy one off the shelf from a brand coming off their worst series of cars ever.
still the Z4 G29 is FAR better than anything Toyota has been able to offer.
The RCF was a Frankenstein chassis for crying out loud
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But instead you can buy one off the shelf from a brand coming off their worst series of cars ever.
still the Z4 G29 is FAR better than anything Toyota has been able to offer.
The RCF was a Frankenstein chassis for crying out loud
Oh, yeah. The RCF and even the LC are clearly looking for chassis that aren't comically overweight. The GT86 has lots of issues related mostly to Toyota bad decisions. They're lost at sea when it comes to making sporty cars these days (or possibly always, bar one generation of Supra.)
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I'll just leave this nugget here.

Back in 2006 when BMW introduced the Z4 M Coupe, there were about 600-700 VINs allocated for the 2006 model year. Car was officially under production in March. I placed my order at the LARGEST BMW dealership in the country (at the time, in volume not in floor *******. Was told, at the time, that my allocation would be one of the LAST for 2006, if I didn't want to pay a $10,000-$12,000 mark up.

Having never even paid MSRP for any car I've ever bought (and the Z4 M Coupe remain the ONLY car I ever paid MSRP for), I waited not quite so patiently for 6 months for my allocation to be built. Every single allocation nearly nation wide was spoken for in the first 60 days the car went on sale.

Suffice it to say, the Z4 M Coupe, at the time, I thought, was going to be a super hot seller. As it turned out, I took delivery of my 2006 in September of 2006. By November 2006 Z4 M Coupes were piling up at dealerships, with *MY* dealership having 6 on the lot at any given moment, up to 12 by early 2017. By that time, had I been patient and waited another 3-4 months, I would have been able to buy a Z4 M Coupe with $10,000 under INVOICE. A nearly $16,000 swing in price in just 3 months.

I hope the Supra name plate can carry this car. I truly do. But if my guesses are right, the Supra is going to suffer the same fate. Once those "enthusiasts" buy the first batch, no one else in the general public will. You're probably looking at a few thousand die-hards that will plunk down money right away, then maybe a few thousand more will eventually buy-in, but at the price point, there are much MUCH better alternatives for the general public. You can get an AMG GLA45 for same or less, with equivalent performance, AWD, AND capability to carry 4 plus more versatile luggage room.

Sure, it's SOLD OUT now. Give it 12 months and they'll be begging you to take one home.
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