Ohlins Road and Track. I'm thinking about it.

derbo · 07-26-2018, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejnc

Err.... I'm in the market for a set and I totally missed out.

Chances are Labor day will have the same sale.

L4ces · 08-08-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejnc

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Originally Posted by vincE92M3

Did anyone order the Ohlins from IND during their 4th of July promotion?

Err.... I'm in the market for a set and I totally missed out.

For what it's worth, I upgraded my suspension and in 1 month after warranty the rear struck was found broken. There are no available replacements from Bilstein in over a year. My old oem would have served better than a new and broken setup even though the oems were worn out.

My thoughts are:
1.) Shops probably won't know nor warn you if an allocation issue is on the horizon. It's real. Bilstein.

2.) Dinan setup works with OEM components and IS an improvement over the stock setup. If something goes bad, you will likely order the oem piece and be in good hands. Does it compare to BrandX? Maybe not but it may be enough for causal track duty until you can outdrive your oem setup! LOL. I've tracked, have you?
3.) If you go brand x and something breaks, it will be costly if you have to switch to another brand! OEM + Dinan, prolly not. Also, even Dinan as a company has changed.
4.) Go back to 1 and really think about it.

5.) Ask the shop to help shield you from this crap.

L4ces · 08-08-2018, 04:12 PM

BTW, I didn't take into account who my audience is so I apologize if know your stuff about suspensions, etc and can afford to recover from these issues. I can't wield $2500.00 here and there for my car as others can.

BayE30 · 08-08-2018, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by L4ces

For what it's worth, I upgraded my suspension and in 1 month after warranty the rear struck was found broken. There are no available replacements from Bilstein in over a year. My old oem would have served better than a new and broken setup even though the oems were worn out.

My thoughts are:
1.) Shops probably won't know nor warn you if an allocation issue is on the horizon. It's real. Bilstein.

2.) Dinan setup works with OEM components and IS an improvement over the stock setup. If something goes bad, you will likely order the oem piece and be in good hands. Does it compare to BrandX? Maybe not but it may be enough for causal track duty until you can outdrive your oem setup! LOL. I've tracked, have you?
3.) If you go brand x and something breaks, it will be costly if you have to switch to another brand! OEM + Dinan, prolly not. Also, even Dinan as a company has changed.
4.) Go back to 1 and really think about it.

5.) Ask the shop to help shield you from this crap.

i dont understand what you are saying. are you saying people shouldnt use aftermarket parts because they can break? if so, that is a hilarious standpoint.

L4ces · 08-09-2018, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SFCM3

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Originally Posted by L4ces

For what it's worth, I upgraded my suspension and in 1 month after warranty the rear struck was found broken. There are no available replacements from Bilstein in over a year. My old oem would have served better than a new and broken setup even though the oems were worn out.

My thoughts are:
1.) Shops probably won't know nor warn you if an allocation issue is on the horizon. It's real. Bilstein.

2.) Dinan setup works with OEM components and IS an improvement over the stock setup. If something goes bad, you will likely order the oem piece and be in good hands. Does it compare to BrandX? Maybe not but it may be enough for causal track duty until you can outdrive your oem setup! LOL. I've tracked, have you?
3.) If you go brand x and something breaks, it will be costly if you have to switch to another brand! OEM + Dinan, prolly not. Also, even Dinan as a company has changed.
4.) Go back to 1 and really think about it.

5.) Ask the shop to help shield you from this crap.

i dont understand what you are saying. are you saying people shouldnt use aftermarket parts because they can break? if so, that is a hilarious standpoint.

No, I am not generalizing it.

I am saying that had I had a broken oem shock, it would already be fixed. But it is a broken Bilstein part and unavailable for almost 1.5 years and its only a rear edc shock!!!! Who can afford to not have a working shock on their daily driver? Or do I spend a few K again to replace everything?

With the Dinan, you still use OEM shocks and struts.

Somewhere there is wisdom above and you have to find it and see if it is applicable.

turbo_joe · 08-09-2018, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by L4ces

No, I am not generalizing it.

I am saying that had I had a broken oem shock, it would already be fixed. But it is a broken Bilstein part and unavailable for almost 1.5 years and its only a rear edc shock!!!! Who can afford to not have a working shock on their daily driver? Or do I spend a few K again to replace everything?

With the Dinan, you still use OEM shocks and struts.

Somewhere there is wisdom above and you have to find it and see if it is applicable.

Sounds like a personal issue with Bilstein
If you want oem shocks for peace of mind you can run the KW HAS or Ground Control kit

L4ces · 08-09-2018, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by turbo_joe

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Originally Posted by L4ces

No, I am not generalizing it.

I am saying that had I had a broken oem shock, it would already be fixed. But it is a broken Bilstein part and unavailable for almost 1.5 years and its only a rear edc shock!!!! Who can afford to not have a working shock on their daily driver? Or do I spend a few K again to replace everything?

With the Dinan, you still use OEM shocks and struts.

Somewhere there is wisdom above and you have to find it and see if it is applicable.

Sounds like a personal issue with Bilstein
If you want oem shocks for peace of mind you can run the KW HAS or Ground Control kit

Ok fair enough.
I like the OEM and KW idea... at the time I had to replace my edc dampers too.
I'll reconsider OEM and KW coil overs as it allows me a contingency plan if the anything goes bad.
I am going to shut up now.

deansbimmer · 08-09-2018, 12:23 PM

Bilstein shortages are real. Every Bilstein part for BMW that I've tried to source from my wholesalers in the past 6 months to a year has been unavailable or backordered in Germany. I can't even get them from other shops or vendors at street price to help out my customers. I don't even mention them to customers anymore. If they're in the market for suspension parts I give them every option other than Bilstein.

The Ohlins R&T setup is a fantastic setup for daily drivers or weekend track cars.

L4ces · 08-09-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by deansbimmer

Bilstein shortages are real. Every Bilstein part for BMW that I've tried to source from my wholesalers in the past 6 months to a year has been unavailable or backordered in Germany. I can't even get them from other shops or vendors at street price to help out my customers. I don't even mention them to customers anymore. If they're in the market for suspension parts I give them every option other than Bilstein.

The Ohlins R&T setup is a fantastic setup for daily drivers or weekend track cars.

I will look into Ohlins. Thanks for chiming in.

Z K · 08-09-2018, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Redd

With Ohlins R/T if it starts to soften over time - which is normal of all shocks - you can reduce clicks to stiffen them up again.

I only plan to rebuild when I run out of clicks. I've had mine 17k kms and haven't had to stiffen them up yet. I run 12/12 for daily driving.

The problem with the "softening" is that the dampening is softened and not as responsive, not the spring rates. So you end up with a harsher ride than before. The spring rate is the same and the dampening is not keeping up. It gets more bouncy and hard over bumps. It's not a matter of stiffening it up.

That is why Ohlins says about 20-30k miles for a rebuild.

SpacegrayMe90 · 08-21-2018, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Z K

The problem with the "softening" is that the dampening is softened and not as responsive, not the spring rates. So you end up with a harsher ride than before. The spring rate is the same and the dampening is not keeping up. It gets more bouncy and hard over bumps. It's not a matter of stiffening it up.

That is why Ohlins says about 20-30k miles for a rebuild.

Thanks for this informative feedback. I drive about 7K a year, so I will have sometime before I would need to worry about the downtime and small cost associated with the rebuild.

What should I expect to pay a shop for installation? My car is equipped with EDC.

Also, should I wait for the upcoming holiday to order, maybe some vendors will probably have a promotion going?

Z K · 08-21-2018, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SpacegrayMe90

Thanks for this informative feedback. I drive about 7K a year, so I will have sometime before I would need to worry about the downtime and small cost associated with the rebuild.

What should I expect to pay a shop for installation? My car is equipped with EDC.

Also, should I wait for the upcoming holiday to order, maybe some vendors will probably have a promotion going?

I don't know what your local shops charge for suspension installation. It varies a lot from shop to shop and area to area.

If you are doing Ohlins, the coilovers do not have EDC. You will need to either code out the EDC or else use a module to trick it into thinking it's still there.

I don't know what the differential is between normal pricing and sale pricing. I think most times sale pricing doesn't change that much.

aus · 08-28-2018, 01:58 AM

Is there any way to get these coils with stiffer springs from Ohlin?
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JsL · 08-30-2018, 01:49 PM

Sale is back at IND. Code is Labor18. I didn't check what the discount is, but passing this info along. I'm very happy with my set. At full soft, it rides more comfortable than stock, of course, at the expense of body roll. But stiffening it up, you're ready for the canyons.

derbo · 08-30-2018, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JsL

Sale is back at IND. Code is Labor18. I didn't check what the discount is, but passing this info along. I'm very happy with my set. At full soft, it rides more comfortable than stock, of course, at the expense of body roll. But stiffening it up, you're ready for the canyons.

Good price! It's about $2300 shipped to San Francisco area. Pretty good!

JsL · 08-31-2018, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by derbo

Good price! It's about $2300 shipped to San Francisco area. Pretty good!

Another bay area M3 guy. Cool. If you're ever in Fremont/Newark and want to check out the Ohlins, PM me.

Ant Man · 09-02-2018, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Z K

The problem with the "softening" is that the dampening is softened and not as responsive, not the spring rates. So you end up with a harsher ride than before. The spring rate is the same and the dampening is not keeping up. It gets more bouncy and hard over bumps. It's not a matter of stiffening it up.

That is why Ohlins says about 20-30k miles for a rebuild.

I'm fairly certain that at the NEC Autosport show back in 2015, Ohlins told me it was at least 50k miles of road driving before a damper rebuild for the R&T.

Ant Man · 09-02-2018, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

Is there any way to get these coils with stiffer springs from Ohlin?
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When I was discussing with their HQ back in 2015, I could order the R&T kit with different spring rates. For the road I can't see why you'd want to run stiffer springs. If you're planning to track your car a lot then their TTX kit is probably the best there is but it's expensive.

derbo · 09-02-2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JsL

Another bay area M3 guy. Cool. If you're ever in Fremont/Newark and want to check out the Ohlins, PM me.

I ended up getting a different suspension setup but we should meet up and compare!

aus · 09-04-2018, 12:18 AM

Anyone have the standard springs rates for this kit?
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JsL · 09-04-2018, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

Anyone have the standard springs rates for this kit?
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Front: 342 lbs/in
Rear: 685 lbs/in

Z K · 09-04-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ant Man

I'm fairly certain that at the NEC Autosport show back in 2015, Ohlins told me it was at least 50k miles of road driving before a damper rebuild for the R&T.

Really depends on your driving conditions. I had Ohlins DFV for 30k miles of street and some track driving on a previous car and it was about ready for a servicing. You notice the dampening getting worse and the ride getting more bouncy over time.

The manual for the suspension says 30,000 KM for rebuild. You can probably last longer if your roads are smoother but if you follow the manual (instructions are in Japanese), that's what it says.

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Recommended Service Intervals
Racing: Every 10 hours of operation.
Maximum 20 hours of operation
without service and oil change.
Regular street use: Every 30 000 km

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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Is there any way to get these coils with stiffer springs from Ohlin? . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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JsL Major 448 Rep 1,263 Posts Drives: 2011 AW M3 ZCP Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (2)	Sale is back at IND. Code is Labor18. I didn't check what the discount is, but passing this info along. I'm very happy with my set. At full soft, it rides more comfortable than stock, of course, at the expense of body roll. But stiffening it up, you're ready for the canyons.
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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,031 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Anyone have the standard springs rates for this kit? . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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