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      02-23-2018, 12:05 PM   #1
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Cheap Brembo calipers

Is anyone running these? Seems like a very cheap brake upgrade and they use your factory rotors. Wanted to hear some feedback if anyone has this kit.

http://www.freakyparts.co.uk/epages/..._E92_M3_Brembo
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      02-23-2018, 01:34 PM   #2
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About $1050 USD plus, I assume, international shipping of a 20 lb box.

Slonik offers the 6 piston Brembos for $1,900 USD shipped.

I would consider one of these two options when I have some money for modifications burning a hole in my pocket.
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£40 shipping to NYC according to Stewart, who got back to me the following day. Seems like a good option and they appear to be quick to answer questions.
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      02-24-2018, 07:46 AM   #4
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What about pad size compared to stock and pad fit on rotor—is there an unwiped area on the rotor? I emailed for more details and will post what I learn.

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What about pad size compared to stock and pad fit on rotor—is there an unwiped area on the rotor? I emailed for more details and will post what I learn.
No idea, but I'd be curious to learn what he tells you. I'd like to know if he has any other colors besides red. Also, the price to the US is cheaper than listed because there is no VAT outside the EU. So with Ferodo DS2500 pads they'd be about $930 US plus shipping.
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This is the info he provided:

The pad area is slightly larger than the OEM pads as the material is almost to the edge of the backing plate instead of the big overlap the standard pads have.

All the major manufacturers make pads for this caliper as it uses the same pad as found in he Mitsubishi Evo 5-9.

The pad sweep is the same as the OEM, so no inner or outer edge is unswept.

The total piston area is ever so slightly smaller than OEM which should be unnoticeable, if it is, it will feel very slightly more responsive.
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The fact that it is 4-piston makes it slightly more attractive than 6-piston, in my opinion.
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Why? I thought 6 piston was “better?” You see more OEM doing 6 or 8 piston fronts with slider or 2 piston rears in performance cars.
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Why? I thought 6 piston was “better?” You see more OEM doing 6 or 8 piston fronts with slider or 2 piston rears in performance cars.

I have read that it's easier to maintain consistent pressure across all of the pistons with a 4-pot setup versus 6 or 8.

Just because the OEMs are doing 6/8 doesn't mean it's better -- a lot of it is for looks these days, sadly. There are a surprising number of race cars still using 4-pot setups. That's not to say 6/8 is bad, but I think 4 is sufficient for many use cases.
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4 pot is good enough for 1200-1300kg cars, not for 1500kg+ cars with a lot of ponies.
this is my own experience based on different configs on those weight/power cars.

i'd try to use 4 pot only on e46, and without track using of course, only road use.


i can offer similar 4 pot solution for similar, or even better price, but i didn't made this in only one simple reason.
i didn't offer this, cause i didn't want to risk of dissatisfied customers - it's very hard to explain people who want to save money, that this or those config will work on the limit and result will not be really excellent (for example only little bit better then oem).
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I have read that it's easier to maintain consistent pressure across all of the pistons with a 4-pot setup versus 6 or 8.
piston press consistency is usually managed by pistons that are tapered in size. there are even four piston setups that are tapered to help with this.
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About $1050 USD plus, I assume, international shipping of a 20 lb box.

Slonik offers the 6 piston Brembos for $1,900 USD shipped.

I would consider one of these two options when I have some money for modifications burning a hole in my pocket.
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I ordered a kit - this one to be specific https://freakyparts.co.uk/collection...-big-brake-kit

It's being shipped out right now. The guy who runs the whole thing, Stewart, has been great with communication so far.

I'll update this post once the kit arrives and is installed on the car.
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Why? I thought 6 piston was “better?” You see more OEM doing 6 or 8 piston fronts with slider or 2 piston rears in performance cars.
I think piston count is done solely for looks and is independent of performance.

Look at the AMG GT-R. Massive calipers up front, tiny sliding caliper in the rear.

The PFC Z54 BBK is massive overkill and has 4 pistons up front.
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Definitely interesting. Even more so that 4 pot is sufficient, or I should say supposedly sufficient. Interested to see more of the experienced guys discuss this. Admittedly I'd like to upgrade the calipers but more so for appearances as I don't track and don't plan to, but at sametime wouldn't mind better stopping power. This seems like an affordable option for people like me if it pans out
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Definitely interesting. Even more so that 4 pot is sufficient, or I should say supposedly sufficient. Interested to see more of the experienced guys discuss this. Admittedly I'd like to upgrade the calipers but more so for appearances as I don't track and don't plan to, but at sametime wouldn't mind better stopping power. This seems like an affordable option for people like me if it pans out

If you're not on the track, there will be no noticeable difference on the street between 4- and 6-pot kits. You simply can't get enough heat into the brakes on the street. As it is, the M3 can easily engage the ABS on dry pavement (which means the tires are the limiting factor)...so what would more braking capacity get you?

Since you want them for looks, just pick whatever you like best. :-)
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Definitely interesting. Even more so that 4 pot is sufficient, or I should say supposedly sufficient. Interested to see more of the experienced guys discuss this. Admittedly I'd like to upgrade the calipers but more so for appearances as I don't track and don't plan to, but at sametime wouldn't mind better stopping power. This seems like an affordable option for people like me if it pans out

If you're not on the track, there will be no noticeable difference on the street between 4- and 6-pot kits. You simply can't get enough heat into the brakes on the street. As it is, the M3 can easily engage the ABS on dry pavement (which means the tires are the limiting factor)...so what would more braking capacity get you?

Since you want them for looks, just pick whatever you like best. :-)
I suppose what I should have said is even on the street, I've driven plenty of cars with better brakes than what my car has. Even my wife's Audi A3 seem to have better initial bite. But, you're right. Never got enough heat to see them fade. So, more initial bite would be nice without jumping to a track pad would be ideal. I'm using stoptech street pads right now
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I suppose what I should have said is even on the street, I've driven plenty of cars with better brakes than what my car has. Even my wife's Audi A3 seem to have better initial bite. But, you're right. Never got enough heat to see them fade. So, more initial bite would be nice without jumping to a track pad would be ideal. I'm using stoptech street pads right now

A BBK is not necessarily going to give you more "initial bite". That's more a function of the pad torque.

I'm of the opinion that very grabby brakes [pads] are a bad thing. You want a linear pedal feel so that you aren't instantly engaging the ABS just from a light tap. A linear pad means that if I press twice as hard, it should stop twice as fast. This gives better control and modulation.

If you really want that more grabby pedal feel, people have said ceramic pads will give you that (Akebono, for example).
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If you want hard initial bite, try autocross pads like carbotech ax6, Hawk hp plus, gloc r6. Dusty and squeaky but they hit hard.
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I suppose what I should have said is even on the street, I've driven plenty of cars with better brakes than what my car has. Even my wife's Audi A3 seem to have better initial bite. But, you're right. Never got enough heat to see them fade. So, more initial bite would be nice without jumping to a track pad would be ideal. I'm using stoptech street pads right now

A BBK is not necessarily going to give you more "initial bite". That's more a function of the pad torque.

I'm of the opinion that very grabby brakes [pads] are a bad thing. You want a linear pedal feel so that you aren't instantly engaging the ABS just from a light tap. A linear pad means that if I press twice as hard, it should stop twice as fast. This gives better control and modulation.

If you really want that more grabby pedal feel, people have said ceramic pads will give you that (Akebono, for example).
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If you want hard initial bite, try autocross pads like carbotech ax6, Hawk hp plus, gloc r6. Dusty and squeaky but they hit hard.
I think it's just more of driver preference with braking. I prefer more initial bite but not so much that it jerks the car and upsets it. With my new brakes I have to get into them pretty good to get remotely close to abs engaging. Don't think there's anything wrong with anything, calipers were in good condition, new fluid and everything has less than 5k miles on it. Maybe I'm "expecting" more from them.
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