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      07-20-2018, 10:13 AM   #23
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Shops want to make a certain amount of money from a job. If itís not on both parts and labor, then they should charge more for labor. They also may not warranty labor on any customer supplied parts.
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      07-20-2018, 10:54 AM   #24
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No. Your post contradicts itself.

You had a factory defect which doesn't make his post untrue (which is what you insinuated). If driven normally/not abused AND putting factory defects aside, these clutches should last a very, very long time, is the/his (valid) point. All makes and models have occasional defects.
You come through as arrogant and unable to grasp basic statements. Nightkrawler wrote, quoting: "All depends on the driver who owned the car. If he knew how to drive a manual correctly and didn’t abuse it the clutch should last well over 100k." That states that except for abuse it would last well over 100k.
Well, this simply does not hold true since mine was not abused, bought new and failed prematurely. I know of at least five other people who also didn't abuse theirs and had premature fails. My reply was correct and rightful.
You cannot just add words to what he posted after the fact when my reply to him had already posted.
And so, I have no interest in debating your cognitive issue further, i'll just ignore you and you'll only know more what i think for it. Good day.
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      07-20-2018, 11:11 AM   #25
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Shops want to make a certain amount of money from a job. If it’s not on both parts and labor, then they should charge more for labor. They also may not warranty labor on any customer supplied parts.
Yes unfortunately, that's how it goes. So then are you going to pay :
1700 + 700 + 800 = $3200 + tax to replace flywheel and clutch in your 08 ?
And that assumes Indy. If dealer probably $5k+
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      07-20-2018, 12:31 PM   #26
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2008 here (not sure of build date) but I'm pretty sure I have the old DMFW. 75k miles, driven like an M should be driven (but never tracked) and the clutch seems to be fine. Never had it slip, ever.
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      07-20-2018, 12:42 PM   #27
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Note that some OEM suppliers (Baer, Valeo, Zimmerman, TRW, Mahle, etc.) do sell without BMW logo at a lower cost as they do not have to add licensing costs. Same part, just no logo. You have to be familiar with the brands to know what you're getting.
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      07-20-2018, 01:14 PM   #28
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I like single flywheel which is mostly an upgraded version for dual mass for most cars. I like the sound it makes also. There are plenty of clutches that you can buy and upgrade it just itself. Dual mass for people who doesn't like that clanky sound when you dont push the clutch peddal.
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      07-20-2018, 01:42 PM   #29
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Thanks a lot for the price break up. Did you actually see the parts with the letters BMW stamped on the metal ? Compare pictures of these two items :
https://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Sit...h/21212283820/

Many vendors advertise replacement parts as "original equipment components" or "stock replacement" which are not "original equipement manufactured components" and some will flat lie and say OEM.
if you compare the cheap flywheel in the link above with the expensive "genuine bmw", they look identical. Could they be made of different materials or is the difference just the bmw stamp ? I honestly do not know but I cannot believe a doubling in price is justifiable. Based on what you paid for your flywheel probably does not have the BMW stamp on it but maybe this is the right way to go.

Is it possible to source your parts online, then ask an Indy shop to place the order (or bring them yourself) and pay for labor only ?

If the shop does not have an inventory of parts in its own warehouse and is just ordering parts per need basis i don't see how they can justify an additional mark up on parts.
Parts mark up or a parts matrix is completely justifiable. It is not as easy as people think to get a reputable shop to allow you to bring in your own parts to install. A matrix is a must for any shop to financial successful. What that matrix equates to differs from shop to shop but yea parts marked up 1 to 2 times cost is the norm. To me I would rather nogiate total price and get the warranty from the shop. Provide your own stuff and you can be sure 1 your going pay a much higher labor and 2 no warranty whatsever.
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      07-20-2018, 02:05 PM   #30
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Yes unfortunately, that's how it goes. So then are you going to pay :
1700 + 700 + 800 = $3200 + tax to replace flywheel and clutch in your 08 ?
And that assumes Indy. If dealer probably $5k+
No, Iíll do it myself. Cost me just the lowest price I find online for good quality parts.
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      07-21-2018, 10:56 AM   #31
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You come through as arrogant and unable to grasp basic statements. Nightkrawler wrote, quoting: "All depends on the driver who owned the car. If he knew how to drive a manual correctly and didn’t abuse it the clutch should last well over 100k." That states that except for abuse it would last well over 100k.
Well, this simply does not hold true since mine was not abused, bought new and failed prematurely. I know of at least five other people who also didn't abuse theirs and had premature fails. My reply was correct and rightful.
You cannot just add words to what he posted after the fact when my reply to him had already posted.
And so, I have no interest in debating your cognitive issue further, i'll just ignore you and you'll only know more what i think for it. Good day.
Sigh. He left out factory defect because that's always assumed - it's so obvious that it's not necessary to mention. So, given this new revelation, what he said is totally accurate and your initial reply suggests that perhaps you take things too literal, eh?

This is similar to rod bearings - the vast majority will last a very long time even though there is the occasional failure. These are not mutually exclusive - there can be both early failures and in general, a high level of reliability.

That said, let's keep this debate healthy and void of personal insults

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      07-22-2018, 03:04 PM   #32
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      07-28-2018, 10:40 PM   #33
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Note that some OEM suppliers (Baer, Valeo, Zimmerman, TRW, Mahle, etc.) do sell without BMW logo at a lower cost as they do not have to add licensing costs. Same part, just no logo. You have to be familiar with the brands to know what you're getting.
What company makes the OEM flywheel for the e92 m3 ? I have an idea but no confirmation.

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      07-28-2018, 10:57 PM   #34
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No, I’ll do it myself. Cost me just the lowest price I find online for good quality parts.
That's the way to go. I would do it myself too if I had a lift altough you don't need one but it makes things safer and easier. Investing in your own shop takes years to amortize and you don't get the warranty you get from a mechanic. Depending on how valuable your own time is, at the end all these things add up and you are not just paying for parts. But it's got to be very rewarding.
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      07-29-2018, 12:11 AM   #35
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      08-06-2018, 11:49 AM   #36
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If any of yall need the factory how-to sheets for removal of the transmission and clutch or really anything with these cars let me know. I own a shop and we have access to anything you need for any car. PM me i can send it to you in PDF format, not sure if rules allow me to post here directly
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