Issues with PSW 2 electronic

Lagunae92 · 01-03-2012, 02:43 PM

Man, this is a bummer. I think when they say it is not for DCT vehicles, that refers to the way it fits the paddles. It seems to be a power issue, and how would that differ from automatics? Wonder if it is worth trying a new wheel...

JDM3 · 01-03-2012, 02:58 PM

any 6mt owners chime in? I'm wondering if we could just wire directly to the battery and have an inline fuse to protect it.

Lagunae92 · 01-04-2012, 10:31 PM

Will talk to Tom at EAS ASAP, ha, and try to find a solution...

Lagunae92 · 01-05-2012, 10:29 PM

Do you guys have DCT?

JDM3 · 01-05-2012, 10:40 PM

DCT, yes. I haven't driven my car in days and started it up to let her run and the wheel worked fine. this is intermittent and bizarre! Its an easy reset with it wired to the fuse. Still considering a switch off the fuse to make life even easier.

Lagunae92 · 01-05-2012, 11:13 PM

I am wired to the battery right now. Worked for a few restarts, and now it is no longer working.

JDM3 · 01-06-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lagunae92

I am wired to the battery right now. Worked for a few restarts, and now it is no longer working.

I think it's fair to say that this wheel isn't for DCT. Simple fix is too wire to constant power (fuse 18) while installing a reset switch that's accessible to the driver and is concealed. That's what I'm doing

Mike Lu · 01-06-2012, 10:37 AM

Okay guys, I'll just share my experience with this PSW II, I have a DCT, my Tech wired the power to CAS Modules, and I only had this issue (shift light not working) once after a 5 hours road trip. Other than that, it's all good. Last time I had the issue (the only time), I found the steering wheel can't read the current RPM, you can see the wheels reading the current RPM while you're in the shift RPM limit setting screen, I believe that's why the shift lights aren't working, can't say if power source is relevant here or not.

tlp · 01-06-2012, 10:52 AM

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Yep, the root problem is the RPM reading in the wheel which adversely affects the shift lights since RPM is stuck at 0.

JDM3 · 01-06-2012, 11:20 AM

Its definately a power issue and seems to be more common for owners that dont use the car daily. My car sits all week and is not driven from Dec to March....

tom @ eas · 01-06-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Lu

Okay guys, I'll just share my experience with this PSW II, I have a DCT, my Tech wired the power to CAS Modules, and I only had this issue (shift light not working) once after a 5 hours road trip. Other than that, it's all good. Last time I had the issue (the only time), I found the steering wheel can't read the current RPM, you can see the wheels reading the current RPM while you're in the shift RPM limit setting screen, I believe that's why the shift lights aren't working, can't say if power source is relevant here or not.

Correct, but Oil/Water temps are still live - meaning the wheel is still getting a valid CAN signal.

We have a 10ga zip line going directly from the battery to the steering wheel on Lagunae92's M3, and his wheel lost shift lights after 1 night. Power delivery can pretty much be ruled out.

Lagunae92 · 01-06-2012, 11:33 AM

I also drive my car several times a day, from 3 miles to 60 miles, so it does not seem to be a matter of not driving it enough for me.

Mike Lu · 01-06-2012, 11:37 AM

Same here, I don't use my M daily, but fortunately, I don't have this issue.

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Originally Posted by 1SICKM

Its definately a power issue and seems to be more common for owners that dont use the car daily. My car sits all week and is not driven from Dec to March....

Lagunae92 · 01-06-2012, 11:57 AM

It's weird. It will work for a while, and if I restart the car within 10 minutes or so, no problem. I hit a few golf balls, and 1.5 hours later it didn't work. Obviously it is capable of working...

JDM3 · 01-06-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Correct, but Oil/Water temps are still live - meaning the wheel is still getting a valid CAN signal.

We have a 10ga zip line going directly from the battery to the steering wheel on Lagunae92's M3, and his wheel lost shift lights after 1 night. Power delivery can pretty much be ruled out.

Tom - what else could it be? Has BMWNA been made aware of the issue?

tom @ eas · 01-06-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 1SICKM

Tom - what else could it be? Has BMWNA been made aware of the issue?

It's possibly a difference in the profiles in a control module (likely KOMBI). A comparison of a 6MT vs DCT should be a good place to start.

Malek@MRF · 01-06-2012, 12:36 PM

Tom what are you doing at the shop so late??

tom @ eas · 01-06-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Malekreza11

Tom what are you doing at the shop so late??

9-5 is a thing of the past, we leave when the work is done.

Missed you last night, I heard you dropped by after you had already left.

Malek@MRF · 01-06-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tom @ eas

9-5 is a thing of the past, we leave when the work is done.

Missed you last night, I heard you dropped by after you had already left.

Yeah I was there 2 times in 30 minutes. Had a dumb moment.

I'll drop by again soon and see what you're up to.

I feel you on the 9-5. I was at the shop till 10:30pm last night myself.

JDM3 · 01-06-2012, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Correct, but Oil/Water temps are still live - meaning the wheel is still getting a valid CAN signal.

We have a 10ga zip line going directly from the battery to the steering wheel on Lagunae92's M3, and his wheel lost shift lights after 1 night. Power delivery can pretty much be ruled out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

It's possibly a difference in the profiles in a control module (likely KOMBI). A comparison of a 6MT vs DCT should be a good place to start.

Tom, Would coding potentially fix this?

tom @ eas · 01-06-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1SICKM

Tom, Would coding potentially fix this?

Possibly. The list of variables has certainly dwindled down.

I'm going to look into this over the weekend, I have data from my previous 6MT as well as the current DCT.

JDM3 · 01-10-2012, 06:55 PM

Tom, any updates?

01-03-2012, 02:43 PM	#45
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01-03-2012, 02:58 PM	#46
JDM3 Major 109 Rep 1,292 Posts Drives: 2009 M3 E92 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Long Valley, NJ iTrader: (7)	any 6mt owners chime in? I'm wondering if we could just wire directly to the battery and have an inline fuse to protect it.
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01-04-2012, 10:31 PM	#47
Lagunae92 Captain 75 Rep 753 Posts Drives: BMW e92 M3 Laguna Seca Blue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Long Beach iTrader: (0)	Will talk to Tom at EAS ASAP, ha, and try to find a solution... __________________ 2009 e92 M3 Individual Laguna Seca Blue\|Black Novillo\|DCT\|19"rims\|Carbon Leather\|Premium\|Tech.\|Heated Seats\|Prem. Sound\|iPod\| Mods: \|Electronic Performance Steering Wheel\|ZCP CF Spoiler\|ZCP CF Spliters\|ZCP CF Mirrors\|Edition Front Grilles\|Edition Side Grilles\|BMW Performance Brake Handle\|3D Design Pedals\| Style Rumore Exhaust\|H&R Springs\|LCI Tails\|Challenge CF Door Panels\|
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01-05-2012, 10:29 PM	#48
Lagunae92 Captain 75 Rep 753 Posts Drives: BMW e92 M3 Laguna Seca Blue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Long Beach iTrader: (0)	Do you guys have DCT? __________________ 2009 e92 M3 Individual Laguna Seca Blue\|Black Novillo\|DCT\|19"rims\|Carbon Leather\|Premium\|Tech.\|Heated Seats\|Prem. Sound\|iPod\| Mods: \|Electronic Performance Steering Wheel\|ZCP CF Spoiler\|ZCP CF Spliters\|ZCP CF Mirrors\|Edition Front Grilles\|Edition Side Grilles\|BMW Performance Brake Handle\|3D Design Pedals\| Style Rumore Exhaust\|H&R Springs\|LCI Tails\|Challenge CF Door Panels\|
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01-05-2012, 10:40 PM	#49
JDM3 Major 109 Rep 1,292 Posts Drives: 2009 M3 E92 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Long Valley, NJ iTrader: (7)	DCT, yes. I haven't driven my car in days and started it up to let her run and the wheel worked fine. this is intermittent and bizarre! Its an easy reset with it wired to the fuse. Still considering a switch off the fuse to make life even easier.
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01-05-2012, 11:13 PM	#50
Lagunae92 Captain 75 Rep 753 Posts Drives: BMW e92 M3 Laguna Seca Blue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Long Beach iTrader: (0)	I am wired to the battery right now. Worked for a few restarts, and now it is no longer working. __________________ 2009 e92 M3 Individual Laguna Seca Blue\|Black Novillo\|DCT\|19"rims\|Carbon Leather\|Premium\|Tech.\|Heated Seats\|Prem. Sound\|iPod\| Mods: \|Electronic Performance Steering Wheel\|ZCP CF Spoiler\|ZCP CF Spliters\|ZCP CF Mirrors\|Edition Front Grilles\|Edition Side Grilles\|BMW Performance Brake Handle\|3D Design Pedals\| Style Rumore Exhaust\|H&R Springs\|LCI Tails\|Challenge CF Door Panels\|
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01-06-2012, 10:37 AM	#52
Mike Lu Z 43 Rep 632 Posts Drives: E92 AW M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: E. Lansing iTrader: (6) Garage List 2010 BMW M3 [2.00] 2009 BMW/M3 [10.00]	Okay guys, I'll just share my experience with this PSW II, I have a DCT, my Tech wired the power to CAS Modules, and I only had this issue (shift light not working) once after a 5 hours road trip. Other than that, it's all good. Last time I had the issue (the only time), I found the steering wheel can't read the current RPM, you can see the wheels reading the current RPM while you're in the shift RPM limit setting screen, I believe that's why the shift lights aren't working, can't say if power source is relevant here or not. __________________ Challenge V-weave Front Lip & Mirror Caps \| WSTO painted AW front grill & Mag Blue side grill & Mag Blue Tow Hook & Mag Blue mirror inner ring \| Te-37 Mag Blue wrapped with R-S3 \| Kreissieg F1 exhaust & X-pipe \| KW V3 \| Vortex EVO X GT-wing \| Tinted LCI taillight \| Nadi steering wheel & IND shift extension \|
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01-06-2012, 10:52 AM	#53
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01-06-2012, 11:20 AM	#54
JDM3 Major 109 Rep 1,292 Posts Drives: 2009 M3 E92 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Long Valley, NJ iTrader: (7)	Its definately a power issue and seems to be more common for owners that dont use the car daily. My car sits all week and is not driven from Dec to March....
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01-06-2012, 11:33 AM	#56
Lagunae92 Captain 75 Rep 753 Posts Drives: BMW e92 M3 Laguna Seca Blue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Long Beach iTrader: (0)	I also drive my car several times a day, from 3 miles to 60 miles, so it does not seem to be a matter of not driving it enough for me. __________________ 2009 e92 M3 Individual Laguna Seca Blue\|Black Novillo\|DCT\|19"rims\|Carbon Leather\|Premium\|Tech.\|Heated Seats\|Prem. Sound\|iPod\| Mods: \|Electronic Performance Steering Wheel\|ZCP CF Spoiler\|ZCP CF Spliters\|ZCP CF Mirrors\|Edition Front Grilles\|Edition Side Grilles\|BMW Performance Brake Handle\|3D Design Pedals\| Style Rumore Exhaust\|H&R Springs\|LCI Tails\|Challenge CF Door Panels\|
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01-06-2012, 11:57 AM	#58
Lagunae92 Captain 75 Rep 753 Posts Drives: BMW e92 M3 Laguna Seca Blue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Long Beach iTrader: (0)	It's weird. It will work for a while, and if I restart the car within 10 minutes or so, no problem. I hit a few golf balls, and 1.5 hours later it didn't work. Obviously it is capable of working... __________________ 2009 e92 M3 Individual Laguna Seca Blue\|Black Novillo\|DCT\|19"rims\|Carbon Leather\|Premium\|Tech.\|Heated Seats\|Prem. Sound\|iPod\| Mods: \|Electronic Performance Steering Wheel\|ZCP CF Spoiler\|ZCP CF Spliters\|ZCP CF Mirrors\|Edition Front Grilles\|Edition Side Grilles\|BMW Performance Brake Handle\|3D Design Pedals\| Style Rumore Exhaust\|H&R Springs\|LCI Tails\|Challenge CF Door Panels\|
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01-10-2012, 06:55 PM	#66
JDM3 Major 109 Rep 1,292 Posts Drives: 2009 M3 E92 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Long Valley, NJ iTrader: (7)	Tom, any updates?
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