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You just don't get it do you? You've been arguing in circles about something that is inherently subjective (you are making the same mistake in the other thread about people making modifications to their cars, and how that should be for Japanese cars only). First, you said it wasn't noticable, then you said it was, and then you again said it wasn't. Which one is it? I am against it in principle, and do not need to experience it to comment on it. It's like saying I don't like red. Do I need to buy a red car to be able to say that? It's like the nonsense active steering system BMW created. I didn't need to experience that to know that I wouldn't like it either. Whatever...
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The point is that soft-stop has such a minor affect on the driving experience that you could quite happily drive the car and not even know it's there. Only if you CHOOSE to let it intervene by the way you bring the car to a stop does it ever become noticeable. Not sure I understand the relevance of liking red, modding your car, or the active steering. These are things which are impossible to hide on your car. If you had no choice but to buy the E92 M3, in red, modded and with active steering (if it was even an option) then quite rightly you'd better like these things because they are impossible to ignore on the car. However, soft-stop is very easy to ignore on the cars which are so equipped. If you think soft-stop has the same impact on the driving experience as active steering (which I don't like), then you are very much mistaken. Once again, I wouldn't comment on something which you quite clearly know nothing about. |
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You just can't get it, can you? The magnitude of the effect does not matter; I just don't want a semi-intelligent intervention as a part of the breaking system unless it is safety related (even then I'd like to have the option of turning it completely off), and that is my personal attitude toward technology and handling. The system is there to make a difference—no matter how small and even if it is under certain conditions. And as I've said several times, maybe I do like coming to abrupt jerky stops. You simply don't understand how some people relate to their cars, and what their personal philosophy dictates as to what is appropriate in the design of a car and what is not (for themselves). You clearly are not sophisticated enough in these matters to have formed a philosophy of your own, not to mention to respect the principles of others. Go to some custom made car shows, talk to the creators, learn about the different philosophies, and maybe then, you'll have some perspective and clue as to what I am talking about. Oh, reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance might help as well. Good luck man! |
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What's the saying? "Give someone enough rope......." I've said all I have to say on this matter. |
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So what happened to "soft stop"?
There is no evidence in this from any of:
I guess it went away? |
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