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      10-08-2019, 01:56 PM   #23
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I didn't say insurance companies, I said a civil suit. Just because both drivers knew the risks doesn't mean one wasn't careless/reckless/distracted and/or incompetent. What if they were driving with worn-down tires, knowing that they should change them, but thought "I can get one more lap"?
If it could be reasonably expected that the crash could have been avoided, the guy probably has a civil case. If not, like steering suddenly failed prior, some other car created a situation they had to react to, etc., then no. If someone like that has $$$, they most certainly have $$$ for a lawyer. Would it be worth it? Well, it's a multi-million dollar car...

I'm just reacting to the post above that says "I don't see how the porsche driver could be sued". I can see how they could be sued. Doesn't mean they would automatically win, but if they could prove with a preponderance of evidence the above, then they have a case.
Yeah, good luck with winning a civil suit against anyone for an on track incident. Even if they got the most successful lawyer out there, chances of winning are slim to nill. Winning a civil suit for a track event sets up the wrong precedence which would destroy track and sanctioned racing events. No one would push their vehicles for fear of being held monetarily liable for anything that happens.

I don't know if you've ever been to any track events. If you haven't, you will understand why many of us who have are taking this stance. You know the risks. If you don't want to put your car at risk, don't put it on the track.

And I only used my example of insurance companies to emphasize being on track isn't something that is deemed as a normally accepted risk.
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I wonder why the pagani door popped open. I can imagine it may b more likely on that style latch location and the intensity of the hit and the relative undeformed door.
But it may be due to the fact a pricey car like that doesn’t go through many crash test ?
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I didn't say insurance companies, I said a civil suit. Just because both drivers knew the risks doesn't mean one wasn't careless/reckless/distracted and/or incompetent. What if they were driving with worn-down tires, knowing that they should change them, but thought "I can get one more lap"?
If it could be reasonably expected that the crash could have been avoided, the guy probably has a civil case. If not, like steering suddenly failed prior, some other car created a situation they had to react to, etc., then no. If someone like that has $$$, they most certainly have $$$ for a lawyer. Would it be worth it? Well, it's a multi-million dollar car...

I'm just reacting to the post above that says "I don't see how the porsche driver could be sued". I can see how they could be sued. Doesn't mean they would automatically win, but if they could prove with a preponderance of evidence the above, then they have a case.
You've heard this one before... "First, shoot all the lawyers". Thought process like this is why lawyers fuck up the world.
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The real stupid part is that this was on the outlap and the cars had just got on the track and not even finished a lap. No point/need to be going that fast into the corner especially with a car in front of you like that.
More reason to be Pissed TF Off as the Pagani owner!
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Because the waiver prevents the track from being held responsible, but could the driver not still present a civil suit against the person that caused the damage?
Of course they can/will/should! This is also commonplace when Track/Course Racing. You, the Driver are still liable and consent to as such. Sucks to be him. What is reeeeeally interesting is how if any can the Porsche claim on Insurance for his 911 or the damage he caused...
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Realistically the guy with the Huayura is at fault..... If you got money like that you can surely afford to close the track for the day and be the only one out there
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Because the waiver prevents the track from being held responsible, but could the driver not still present a civil suit against the person that caused the damage?
Of course they can/will/should! This is also commonplace when Track/Course Racing. You, the Driver are still liable and consent to as such. Sucks to be him. What is reeeeeally interesting is how if any can the Porsche claim on Insurance for his 911 or the damage he caused...
It's more of a gentleman's agreement.

If I would were to smash my race car against another car I don't have to pay a cent. However that would be in poor taste and the NASA heads probably wouldn't be too willing to have me back.

But that's the risk, it's not a cheap hobby. Best to accept that early.
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The Pagani was actually a mule and that was a test driver. The door popping open is allegedly an intended safety feature in a crash.

Source: someone who knew the Pagani driver. There's a thread over on Rennlist.
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The Pagani was actually a mule and that was a test driver. The door popping open is allegedly an intended safety feature in a crash.

Source: someone who knew the Pagani driver. There's a thread over on Rennlist.
thread link if anyone's interested; https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...ack-crash.html
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Guy buys $300,000 Porsche , takes it straight to the track....Guy crashes said Porsche into $3M pagani 5 minutes later.

What an idiot...

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Guy buys $300,000 Porsche , takes it straight to the track....Guy crashes said Porsche into $3M pagani 5 minutes later.

What an idiot...

Guess if you're going to do it, do it big, right?
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GT2RS line is exactly how i take every corner in Forza.

First time i’ve seen someone do it IRL though. In real life you can’t set “car damage” to OFF
I immediately thought of Forza as well. It's even funnier since the 911 GT2 RS was launched using Forza 7.

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