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      06-27-2019, 10:48 PM   #1
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Question What Formula 1 Needs

ideas will be sent to FIA, hoping they consider..



thought it can be interesting to gather ideas..
even if im super happy with Merc's dominance in recent years, there can be things to boost racing without slowing the cars down.. some may sound extreme or easy to do..

1. longer straights that forces teams to use lower downforce setup.. cause each meter after reaching top speed makes the leading car vulnerable.. and heavy braking zone is a big overtake advantage..

2. adding 1-2 less than 60-70kmh corners can avoid aero grip and using mechanical grip only.. not even mentioning the braking zone before the corner to widen the chance of an overtake.. closing the gap in the corner will allow the follower car to exit the corner closer..

3. DRS duration can vary on each team.. there should be more advantage on slower cars.. equal on each car is not fair.. it can be based on the recent constructor points..

4. wider tracks.. wider tracks and turn combinations will alter different racing lines on the corners to avoid aero grip lose for following the car in front.. and the next idea is necessary to complete this one..

5. cleaning the track before the GP weekend.. nothing high tech about this.. 3-5 or more vehicle that each municipality uses for cleaning the streets can be useful to clean the track also.. overtaking almost always requires going off the racing line and if there is dust things are getting even harder.. drivers shouldnt hesitate to use different lines because sticking dirt to their tires..

6. mild banking on mid speed corners.. 1-2 on each track.. banking will allow to keep the mechanical grip in the game a bit more and take off some the disadvantage of following a car..

7. not changing the regulations of cars and engines regularly.. cause each big regulation change is leading one team shine more than others.. keep the regs longer or changing them smaller will give time to other teams and gaps will be much smaller..

8. im not sure it can work but like we re using in prokart or other series that adding weight to faster car to create a handicap based on the previous race.. even if probably big teams will produce cars according the max handicap weight, it still can be useful..

9. longer braking distances.. like 25-30% longer braking.. cause most of the overtakes finish in the following corner and recently F1 cars almost brake at the entry of the corner.. braking distance is too short.. this can be achieved by thinner discs or smaller disc diameter easily.. i guess all the teams are customers of Brembo..

10. like DRS based on the constructor points more electric juice on slower cars to compensate the power difference..

these are the initial ideas i have for some time.. what do you guys suggest or think to boost the competition among drivers?
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      06-28-2019, 07:44 AM   #2
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better tracks (more like Spa, Silverstone)

V12s and no traction control

cars are too big for tracks. hard to make tracks bigger, easier to make cars smaller.
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      06-28-2019, 01:06 PM   #3
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I like number 5. The Toronto Indy cleans the track during races, every time there is a caution lap. Jet blower mounted to the back of a truck comes out and blows the marbles off the track. Leading to more passing during a race. I always wondered why F1 doesn’t do this. It would work on the CF bits that they spend time picking up by hand and shorten the amount of caution laps I think.
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I would like to add two pit stop related ones:

1. Refueling - Technology can be advanced to make it safer I would say. Less fuel/smaller fuel tanks might also result in faster lap times. Also adds a bit of strategy, although I assume everyone will find the optimum theoretical strategy pretty quickly. Still.

2. Minimum pit stop times, the minimum limit would be a second or two more than adding a splash of fuel, but less than a full refuel. This way during a Safety car (or even not during a SC) there's an additional strategy component.
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Just reduce aero by 50%, leave the rest the same.
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I think the comment about the longer straights needed and the fact the tracks are too narrow are probably the most viable when it comes to where the biggest issues are related to watch-ability of current F1.

Passing is extremely difficult due to the size of the cars vs. the width of the tracks. As mentioned by a poster above, widening tracks may be too difficult, so making the cars smaller is another alternative option.

In addition, the longer straights will automatically dictate longer braking zones at the end, there by negating your point about extending braking zones via car manipulations. Longer straights and higher speeds will allow longer braking at the end, to wit more opportunity for passing.

These are some good points you mention - unlikely to come to fruition though in reality. Which is sad.
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I agree making the cars smaller seems like the simplest solution compared to widening tracks.
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I know it will never happen but, immensely simplify the rules. Set a few minimums and maximums, then let chassis builders and engine builders have at it. It won't do much to trim costs but it might make for some pretty innovative solutions. Look at the Delta Wing car for example; half the horsepower, no wild airplane parts hanging off front or rear, still fast and competitive. I'm still enamored of that car and what it could represent if the rules were just simplified to allow minds to truly be creative.
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All too complicated. Here is how you fix F1:

15% of the aero from a mandated 2 element wing.
75% of the aero from the floor. Diffusers of any type allowed.
10% of the aero from the rear wing.

Cars can follow. Cars can pass. Cars won't experience aero wash out when their path is cut across by another car.

Shall I send my bill to the FIA and Jean Todt? Who has their address?
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How about reverse placing? So after qualifying whoever is in P1 actually starts P20 and has to work their way up
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How about reverse placing? So after qualifying whoever is in P1 actually starts P20 and has to work their way up
Not a fan of this. Too gimmicky.

If the floor is responsible for most of the aero then the mechanical grip will move back to the fore. This single change will fix the following problem as well as reduce the cost of development.
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How about reverse placing? So after qualifying whoever is in P1 actually starts P20 and has to work their way up
Not a fan of this. Too gimmicky.

If the floor is responsible for most of the aero then the mechanical grip will move back to the fore. This single change will fix the following problem as well as reduce the cost of development.
Ha I was suggesting this in jest although it may make for an interesting race.
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All too complicated. Here is how you fix F1:

15% of the aero from a mandated 2 element wing.
75% of the aero from the floor. Diffusers of any type allowed.
10% of the aero from the rear wing.

Cars can follow. Cars can pass. Cars won't experience aero wash out when their path is cut across by another car.

Shall I send my bill to the FIA and Jean Todt? Who has their address?
well actually the ratios that creates the downforce is like this almost.. most of the downforce is being created by the floor.. and one way or another bursting air out to disrupt the follower car is inevitable still with this setup.. maybe Murray's banned fan car can be the solution.. each car sucks itself to the ground..

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I've got a new suggestion for this thread.

All future races in Austria, clone Max, Charles, Albon, Lando, Sainz, Lewis, Kimi, and Valterri; put them all in identical cars and let the race.
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Take the cars back to the 80's 90's spec when the drivers had to drive the fucking car, not pushing buttons like a play station game.
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DRS should be unlimited during race.
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They may as well not have it at all then...
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well actually the ratios that creates the downforce is like this almost.. most of the downforce is being created by the floor.. and one way or another bursting air out to disrupt the follower car is inevitable still with this setup.. maybe Murray's banned fan car can be the solution.. each car sucks itself to the ground..

Thanks for the information. Under the current F1 regulations the floor creates only about 60% of the downforce. Increasing the amount of downforce created by the floor by 25% would be a massive improvement.

On the subject of Gordon Murray's Fan Car...it's funny, we were actually discussing this over the weekend with a friend of mine who is getting a T50 (name?) and has a follow-up meeting with Mr. Murray this month.

I also thought the car was banned but it was actually voluntarily withdrawn by Mr. Ecclestone. The teams all got together and told him that if he ran the car in the next race, they would all withdraw and they'd be left alone to drive in in circles on an empty track. Good ole' F1 history from the horses mouth, once removed.

Great post!!

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On the subject of Gordon Murray's Fan Car...it's funny, we were actually discussing this over the weekend with a friend of mine who is getting a T50 (name?) and has a follow-up meeting with Mr. Murray this month.

I also thought the car was banned but it was actually voluntarily withdrawn by Mr. Ecclestone. The teams all got together and told him that if he ran the car in the next race, they would all withdraw and they'd be left alone to drive in in circles on an empty track. Good ole' F1 history from the horses mouth, once removed.

Great post!!

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that sounds pretty cool.. wondering if he can pick up some information about the engine.. im guessing engine will need to be replaced every 30-40k km but it may surprise also.. and for the name i believe it include some F1 in the end or something.. he ll connect the car with McLaren F1 somehow..
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V12s, kill the aero at least 50%, bring back manual gearboxes, full pit stops again with fueling, on and on. Drop the dumbass tire regs too, you can run whatever kind of tire you freaking want at anytime.

What I'd really like to see are stock V12s given to every team from a sole supplier, and then the chasis/gearboxes are left up to the teams. If they insist on having different engines by manufacturer, put a cap on HP levels so all engines for all teams must be within 1-2% max hp of each other. So for instance we'd be detuning the Mercs which should have happened years and countless boring races ago.

None of this will ever happen in F1 of course.

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