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      01-11-2021, 07:37 PM   #1
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I was looking at some dedicated track pads and after reading through multiple forums it seems like most people like Pfc08 and pfc11 pads. Those of you who have run this pad what do you think is better over. Easier on the rotor, last longer, better initial bite and less fading. I'm running ecs floating rotors in the front and stock in the rear on Michelin ps4s stock competition suspension.
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I’m a user of Cobalt Friction pads, but I also run a much more modified car. I think a more stock setup the PFC’s would be fine. I also tried Endless pads and was a fan as well.
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cobalt friction is the stuff.
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Agree with Cobalt Friction XR2/XR3, but PFC 08s would work well for your setup, too.
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I really like Carbotech. I've used them on a couple of cars over the years and now my M3 with a setup similar to yours.

However it seems like cobalt friction is the most popular choice here so I might see what they're like once these XP12's go
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I was overheating the 08 compound on stock brakes and RS4 tires, leading to pad fade and accelerated wear on the front. I have no experience with the 11 on stock brakes, but it probably would've reduced the fade since the 11 has a higher operational temp range than the 08.

I now run 11 on a full PFC BBK, and with how the car evolved I'm getting them too hot and getting accelerated wear in the front again, on both the pads and rotors. No fade though. Adding ducting soon.
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lol 6 responses and a few about the pad you're asking about. I'll try to not make your decision any harder, but throw in my 2 cents as well. I'm currently running Pagid RSL 29 which is an endurance racing pad.

These pads have good initial bite, moderate friction, minimal fade, and excellent pad life. Being that it's an endurance pad, disc life is also prolonged. Modulation is clear and concise, the pad isn't finicky at all.

They are a good pad for starting out, but can be pricey if you don't get them on sale. They definitely last longer than PFC 11 and are nowhere near as aggressive on the rotors, but the PFC 11's initial bite and friction is vastly superior. I feel like an endurance style pad might be what you're looking for based off what you described, but you might desire something more aggressive and there are PLENTY of alternatives out there.

Hope this helps!
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Anyone use the PFC 01 compound?
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I don't think you're going to see a big difference between the 08 and 11 on a tire like the PS4S. That tire will very quickly get overwhelmed and the ABS will be working hard to keep you from skidding, but the pads will be able to take the heat.

What is your experience level at the track?
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Anyone use the PFC 01 compound?
That compound is no longer readily available. It is in some odd sizes, but not many



OP, the 08 or the 11 are great options. The 11 is quieter than the 08, so I prefer it, but the 08 will last longer when you're just getting started.
PFC pads are wonderful
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I don't think you're going to see a big difference between the 08 and 11 on a tire like the PS4S. That tire will very quickly get overwhelmed and the ABS will be working hard to keep you from skidding, but the pads will be able to take the heat.

What is your experience level at the track?
Yes!

The ideal is that you want something with a wide enough of a temperature range so that "low grip" tires like the PS4S can generate enough heat into them to bring it into operating range. You also want low enough torque so that you don't overpower the tires at every jab of the brake pedal.

The PFC08 had no issues at Laguna Seca when I went. The PS4S were at its limit before the brake pads so I think you should be fine with them. Just FYI they are loud. I have a full OE set with 1 track event (morning was wet so not that used) sitting in my garage now.

I've been recommended DTC60 pads and so far I've been liking them and their price!
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Correct, which is why I'm confused at people recommending endurance pads. Those are designed for sustained high-temp use. If you can't keep them hot enough, they will be abrasive instead of adhesive.
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Correct, which is why I'm confused at people recommending endurance pads. Those are designed for sustained high-temp use. If you can't keep them hot enough, they will be abrasive instead of adhesive.
Maybe newer drives drag the brakes more so it gains enough heat?
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High friction, high temp pad with brake dust that isn't corrosive and cleans off easily after every track day. Easy on rotors but pads wear faster than other pads. Squeals a lot and "unbeds" when driven on the street.
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Correct, which is why I'm confused at people recommending endurance pads. Those are designed for sustained high-temp use. If you can't keep them hot enough, they will be abrasive instead of adhesive.
If you look at the specs for the RSL 29 it should quickly become apparent as to why I recommended them. Not all endurance pads are created equally and a quick look at the friction vs. temp graph shows that it maintains relatively the same coefficient of friction from cold all the way to 700+ C.
They are certainly NOT designed for sustained high-temp use. Ironically, contrary to what you claimed, performance actually begins to fall off right around the 500 C mark, and continues to decrease as temp increases.

IMO these are an excellent pad for someone starting out as you get relatively consistent performance across the temp range, allowing the driver to focus on fundamentals, car inputs, and the line.
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If you look at the specs for the RSL 29 it should quickly become apparent as to why I recommended them. Not all endurance pads are created equally and a quick look at the friction vs. temp graph shows that it maintains relatively the same coefficient of friction from cold all the way to 700+ C.
They are certainly NOT designed for sustained high-temp use. Ironically, contrary to what you claimed, performance actually begins to fall off right around the 500 C mark, and continues to decrease as temp increases.

IMO these are an excellent pad for someone starting out as you get relatively consistent performance across the temp range, allowing the driver to focus on fundamentals, car inputs, and the line.
Dunno about the other brands, but PFC 08 (endurance) also have a lower temp range than the sprint 11 pads. I was getting the 08's way too hot. The 11 probably would have suffered less fade.
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Correct, which is why I'm confused at people recommending endurance pads. Those are designed for sustained high-temp use. If you can't keep them hot enough, they will be abrasive instead of adhesive.
If you look at the specs for the RSL 29 it should quickly become apparent as to why I recommended them. Not all endurance pads are created equally and a quick look at the friction vs. temp graph shows that it maintains relatively the same coefficient of friction from cold all the way to 700+ C.
They are certainly NOT designed for sustained high-temp use. Ironically, contrary to what you claimed, performance actually begins to fall off right around the 500 C mark, and continues to decrease as temp increases.

IMO these are an excellent pad for someone starting out as you get relatively consistent performance across the temp range, allowing the driver to focus on fundamentals, car inputs, and the line.
I have only ever run RS29's. I love em. Fronts last me 6 months and rears last a year. I have no ducting. My rotors last two plus years. I am competitive in NASA TT so plenty good stopping power. I have run 30 minute sessions as well with no fade.


There are probably better pads but they serve my needs.
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As the name implies, Endurance pads are designed for longevity and consistency. dparm derbo Now that I look back at your definition, "Those are designed for sustained high-temp use" I'm almost positive you guys are confusing endurance pads with sprint pads.
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As the name implies, Endurance pads are designed for longevity and consistency. dparm derbo Now that I look back at your definition, "Those are designed for sustained high-temp use" I'm almost positive you guys are confusing endurance pads with sprint pads.
What do you think endurance racing is?
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What do you think endurance racing is?
Driving slow.
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Driving slow.
lol ... yikes. Shots fired. Don't tell le mans drivers that, they get a little upset
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