BE BackOrder...RIDICULOUS!! Next best Recommendations please?

[pbonsalb]

BE is great. But its research, which it needed to advertise its product as one that M3 owners needed do that it could generate sales, and which I appreciate, invited competitors. I am in favor of free markets do competition is desirable. If you want to pay more, BE has a great product with probably the highest quality control. Right now, however, my plan is to buy ACL at 1/3 the price.

[serranot]

Originally Posted by IamFODI

I don’t think a healthy skepticism on some specifics is mutually exclusive with general agreement.

Not necessarily, if "healthy skepticism" is based on data of some kind. In this case, any skepticism seems to be based on people buying other than BE and trying to "factually" justify their choice, or based on not changing their bearings and rationalizing it.

I don't care either way; it's not my money or car. And the other products certainly have attributes that could solve what seems to be the problem; buying ACL bearings with increased clearance as Helmsman did would, if sized appropriately, be just what the doctor ordered. But anecdotes and feelings and post-purchase rationalization are not facts or data.

[georgeoctavio]

Makes me thankful that I did mine late last year before the craziness occurred. Ordered mine from ECS.

[jvictormp]

When I was ordering my set of BEs, in Feb 2020, I couldn't find it anywhere. Order at ECS because they had the earlier ETA of stock, but when that date came in, they changed that ETA and just left me waiting.

I asked for the refund, and went looking out for other vendors.

BE's webpage has a vendor list, and I sent emails to every vendor in the list. Turned out that one of them said they've got them in stock - Autocouture Motorsports.

I installed them in the engine this month.

[simpleM3]

This is what bearings with 117500k miles looks like from a 2011.75 E90. This is what the fuss was all about.

Definitely worth the piece of mind, but I wouldn't call it life threatening. For whatever's its worth, I had 7800 miles on the engine oil that was removed during the replacement.

Apparently there's a 500 mile "break-in" period, so I won't be shifting at 7k+ RPM any time soon

[nycplumber]

Originally Posted by simpleM3

This is what bearings with 117500k miles looks like from a 2011.75 E90. This is what the fuss was all about.

Definitely worth the piece of mind, but I wouldn't call it life threatening. For whatever's its worth, I had 7800 miles on the engine oil that was removed during the replacement.

Apparently there's a 500 mile "break-in" period, so I won't be shifting at 7k+ RPM any time soon

A lot of misinformation in that post.

1. No break in period for rod bearings
2. Just because your bearings look great doesn't mean that's the case for all of them. It's called the German lottery for a reason.

[simpleM3]

1. That's what I was told. I was misinformed yet again on a bearing related matter... Imagine that lol
2. I never said that nor did I suggest it. read my previous comments if you're interested in my opinions.

The misleading, embellished and absurd suggestions and recommendations was precise what led to me start this thread.

Originally Posted by nycplumber

A lot of misinformation in that post.

1. No break in period for rod bearings
2. Just because your bearings look great doesn't mean that's the case for all of them. It's called the German lottery for a reason.

[frankc]

I'm replacing the motor mounts, and since I already have the front subframe lowered (and don't really need to use the car right now), I thought it would be a good time to do the rod bearings (2011 E90 w/111K).

All the sites I checked list a Sept 2020 ship date for the BE Bearings. Any suggestions for other places to check for stock, or do I just go down the list of vendors on the BE Bearings site as @jvictormp did?

[M3 2ENVY]

Got a email back from BE on when they will have inventory again on there bearings, they said September

[Denny347]

Originally Posted by M3 2ENVY

Got a email back from BE on when they will have inventory again on there bearings, they said September

Just went to Autotalent and they had BE Bearings in stock. At least it let me order them without telling me they were on back order or the like. I just emailed them to make sure they were in stock and I didn't pay for something they don't have at the moment.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Denny347

Just went to Autotalent and they had BE Bearings in stock. At least it let me order them without telling me they were on back order or the like. I just emailed them to make sure they were in stock and I didn't pay for something they don't have at the moment.

BE only charges you when they ship

[Denny347]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

BE only charges you when they ship

I just received the email that they are on back order until August. I was planning on getting mine replaced locally here in the next week or 2 so I cancelled the BE order. The shop I am using typically uses BE but when they cannot find them, they use WPE treated bearings. They've done 30-40 bearing jobs as they are really the only ones locally who specialize in them. Any concerns with WPE treated bearings?

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Denny347

I just received the email that they are on back order until August. I was planning on getting mine replaced locally here in the next week or 2 so I cancelled the BE order. The shop I am using typically uses BE but when they cannot find them, they use WPE treated bearings. They've done 30-40 bearing jobs as they are really the only ones locally who specialize in them. Any concerns with WPE treated bearings?

WPC has a minimal impact on the clearance which is the problem in the first place.

I would contact deansbimmer to see if I can get a matched set of increased clearance bearings.
I vaguely recall that Lang Racing also sells matched sets

[georgeoctavio]

Yea, I kinda got lucky when I got my BE bearing in February before all this madness. I've heard nothing but positive things about VAC.

[andrewkd16]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

In the end, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. Most are completely worthless. Hell, it's 2020 and people are still sleeving S65s! So best of luck

Just curious is going with sleeves on the s65 a bad idea? I have used BE and still have the bearings from when my motor was disassembled. New VAC main/rod bearings went back in but that’s not because anything was wrong with BE they were great. That does bring up one other question can you reuse rod bearing? I know some rod bolts you can’t reuse and some you can. Wasn’t sure what the rule is about bearings though.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by andrewkd16

Just curious is going with sleeves on the s65 a bad idea? I have used BE and still have the bearings from when my motor was disassembled. New VAC main/rod bearings went back in but that’s not because anything was wrong with BE they were great. That does bring up one other question can you reuse rod bearing? I know some rod bolts you can’t reuse and some you can. Wasn’t sure what the rule is about bearings though.

The S65 bearings are supposed to be single crush

Going with sleeves on a S65 is pretty guaranteed to blow your engine up. If someone wants to build a stroker I suggest they get the Carbahn 4.6L stroker part kit and then use whoever they want to assemble it

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

The S65 bearings are supposed to be single crush

Is it really that critical?

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

Is it really that critical?

I have no idea. I'm not an engine builder

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I have no idea. I'm not an engine builder

I have taken a number of Honda engines apart for inspection and if they are OK, I just put them together again. B16 and B18 used for racing. Never had an issue. Perhaps an engine builder would be so kind as to comment. Cough, deansbimmer, cough.

Cheers,

[deansbimmer]

No deformation or excessive crush should occur to properly spec'd bearings, so no reason you can't remove and reinstall them. Academically speaking....I mean I wouldn't want to reinstall bearings with 100k on them.

For example, When measuring bearing bore you have to assemble and torque the rods/caps to determine the bore diameter and shape. From there decide to make any adjustments etc. You 'reuse' those bearings on final assembly.

[andrewkd16]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

The S65 bearings are supposed to be single crush

Going with sleeves on a S65 is pretty guaranteed to blow your engine up. If someone wants to build a stroker I suggest they get the Carbahn 4.6L stroker part kit and then use whoever they want to assemble it

What makes it blow when it’s sleeved? I run a G2 system on a sleeved block and fully built bottom end and head job.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by andrewkd16

What makes it blow when it’s sleeved? I run a G2 system on a sleeved block and fully built bottom end and head job.

How long has it been running?

When you say G2 I suppose you mean the ESS kit?