BE bearings - progress reports

[RomanK]

Originally Posted by romero1990

I wonder how the crank looks? are there scratches on the crank too?

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[romero1990]

Originally Posted by RomanK

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this might sound like witch hunting

the 1st photo showed like 2 deep ring/scratch on the left side. does it corresponding to your 1st (top left) bearing shell?

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by RomanK

No... that photo of bearing from another car...

Ahh, sorry then, thought it was the same car. My bad.

Cheers,

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by RomanK

Hello guys.

I dissasembled my engine. This is my BE Bearings + ARP Bolts after the approx 70k km on Mobil 1 0W-40. City and track use.

Can somebody comment it?

Dirty install possibility

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by StripclubDJ

Topics been covered about 6 times in the last 7 weeks in 18 different new threads bud.


But you're right .
Instead of reading through the useful info that's been posted just LAST week about BE bearing and how the experience with them has been great , and how nobody except MRF or maybe deansbimmer has pulled them back out, where they also provided pics if I recall . Let's go fire up some 2-5 year threads and ask the same question again.

Since 2014, about 575 S65 engines have been completed and just over 3 dozen have been pulled back apart (racing dedicated cars) with the same wear characteristics of the other bearings I have posted pictures of and in all instances, ranging anywhere from 12,000-45,000 miles, there is no visible wear on any of the shells I have replaced.

For posterity purposes.. This car is supercharged and used for track and street duty. Picture/Link attached below:



And for more refernce points... This engine had WPC bearings installed by another local shop in So-Cal... Only 3000 miles on these bearings. This M3 below is not used for any racing or track work. Picture/Link attached for reference attached below:

[ol doc gully]

Malek do you exclusively install BE bearings? I ask because it seems implied, but both VAC and Clevite are hashtagged in your first photo.


I am bumping this old thread because good reference information on how higher clearance (BE) bearings are holding up after time/mileage seems to be the number 1 sticking point to making any sort of forward progress on the 'rod bearing' question, and this thread does the best job of trying to put that info in one place. Interesting that the single most valuable post to this thread was made and zero further responses.

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by ol doc gully

Malek do you exclusively install BE bearings? I ask because it seems implied, but both VAC and Clevite are hashtagged in your first photo.


I am bumping this old thread because good reference information on how higher clearance (BE) bearings are holding up after time/mileage seems to be the number 1 sticking point to making any sort of forward progress on the 'rod bearing' question, and this thread does the best job of trying to put that info in one place. Interesting that the single most valuable post to this thread was made and zero further responses.

Fron what I understand MRF/Malek mainly use VAC, like the top picture? You didn't bump his post, lets see if he chime in.

[ha9981]

Originally Posted by ol doc gully

Malek do you exclusively install BE bearings? I ask because it seems implied, but both VAC and Clevite are hashtagged in your first photo.


I am bumping this old thread because good reference information on how higher clearance (BE) bearings are holding up after time/mileage seems to be the number 1 sticking point to making any sort of forward progress on the 'rod bearing' question, and this thread does the best job of trying to put that info in one place. Interesting that the single most valuable post to this thread was made and zero further responses.

From the IG post comment

[UBERV8]

Glad I got my RB's done with Malek. Never knew you could still get wear after replacing the bearings.

[FrozenE92M3]

Yeah, no thanks, SSR Performance did my bearings with BE Bearings and ARP bolts for much less than Malek was asking and with a blazing fast turn around time.

[Vuu]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

Yeah, no thanks, SSR Performance did my bearings with BE Bearings and ARP bolts for much less than Malek was asking and with a blazing fast turn around time.

SSR charges more for less, and Malek got my car back the same day.

[FrozenE92M3]

Originally Posted by Vuu

SSR charges more for less, and Malek got my car back the same day.

Nah, I payed 1750 all in for BE Bearings, ARP Bolts, and oil and filter.

[Vuu]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

Nah, I payed 1750 all in for BE Bearings, ARP Bolts, and oil and filter.

Maybe that's why you paid less.

A majority of us who go to Malek also get motor mounts replaced, a coolant flush, and an alignment on top of the RB's, oil change, and filter.

[aus]

Why do people always have to jump in a claim their D$CK is bigger???

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[kyrix1st]

M1 0w40 is a stout formula and I wouldn't hesitate to run it on any of my street cars.

One problem with running 0w40 in S65 is oil consumption is hilariously high so it is a good idea to mix with 3-4 qts of 15w50 or better, just get M1 5w50(more expensive) and call it a day.

I would only use a proper 10w60 for any track work involving any naturally aspirated M engines (S50 euro, S54, S65 etc). I trust Le Mans racers' decades of experience with the oil more than any oil analyses out there.

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

M1 0w40 is a stout formula and I wouldn't hesitate to run it on any of my street cars.

One problem with running 0w40 in S65 is oil consumption is hilariously high so it is a good idea to mix with 3-4 qts of 15w50 or better, just get M1 5w50(more expensive) and call it a day.

I would only use a proper 10w60 for any track work involving any naturally aspirated M engines (S50 euro, S54, S65 etc). I trust Le Mans racers' decades of experience with the oil more than any oil analyses out there.

NASCAR runs 5w20... 900HP. 9000RPM. N/A V8.

[Gossypiboma]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

NASCAR runs 5w20... 900HP. 9000RPM. N/A V8.

Sure but the they were heavily engineered for that, so thats irrelevant for the S65 discussion.

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by Gossypiboma

Sure but the they were heavily engineered for that, so thats irrelevant for the S65 discussion.

As is the lemans racing comment.

No oil will solve a fundamental flaw.

Cheers,

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

As is the lemans racing comment.

No oil will solve a fundamental flaw.

Cheers,

I think we are comparing apples to oranges here.

M engines back in the 90s were pretty much implemented straight into DTM racing series (E30,E36), so did the S65 in '00s in the form of P65 with freer intake and aggressive cams with the rest of the components pretty much identical to the street engines. I am not aware of Nascar engines that are available for street use like that of M engines.

I never claimed any oil solves the clearance "issues" the S65 has, but when the rest of the engine components are designed around the operating temperature of 120C with 10w60, that is what I would use in its intended application:track.

It should be the oil of choice after the bearings have been done.

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I think we are comparing apples to oranges here.

M engines back in the 90s were pretty much implemented straight into DTM racing series (E30,E36), so did the S65 in '00s in the form of P65 with freer intake and aggressive cams with the rest of the components pretty much identical to the street engines. I am not aware of Nascar engines that are available for street use like that of M engines.

I never claimed any oil solves the clearance "issues" the S65 has, but when the rest of the engine components are designed around the operating temperature of 120C with 10w60, that is what I would use in its intended application:track.

It should be the oil of choice after the bearings have been done.

The P65 is a hand built race motor with a flat plane crank inside a Nikasil block. Comparing a P65 to an S65 is like comparing a NASCAR V8 to an LS7.

Bottom line, if the bearings are too tight, oil will not flow, then they will spin.

Fix the bearings and then use a good oil and be happy.

[Assimilator1]

I thought the P65 had the same block as the S65?

[tdott]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

M engines back in the 90s were pretty much implemented straight into DTM racing series (E30,E36), so did the S65 in '00s in the form of P65 with freer intake and aggressive cams with the rest of the components pretty much identical to the street engines.

That's a load of crap, the p65 has a flat plane crank with a different firing order and dry slump. Cams and probably solid lifters. That doesn't seem "pretty much identical".