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      05-21-2020, 01:47 PM   #1
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Just signed up for my first HPDE event!

Long time driving enthusiast here, and finally signed up for a real track day. I'll be running Thunderhill East with Ongrid. i'm very excited!

I bought my M3 in Feb of this year for this exact reason.. Car is all stock besides Enkei NT03s 18x10 square with Conti ECS, and a Meisterschaft catback.

Brakes are fairly new. I've been told conflicting things about going with pads or not. I don't mind having to run a dedicated track set. Car is daily driven for now. Recommendations are welcome! i'm doing SS lines and Motul RBF600 next week.

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Most here will tell you to keep everything besides brake fluid stock for your very first time. While there are MANY more qualified opinions than mine, and I'm sure they'll weigh in, here's mine: You won't be asking a whole lot of the brakes as the speeds won't be crazy for your first ever session. You definitely don't NEED track pads, but they won't hurt. Keep it cheap and just go enjoy your first track day! You'll learn alot, and will naturally start to identify the things that you may want to change in order for you to achieve your goals the next time out.

I will say, modding the car is an extremely slippery slope, that involves lots of money along the way. I'd certainly recommend taking it out stock (with the mods you've already planned) and enjoying yourself.
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For the first time you're likely fine with your oem pads. I would buy another set of pads just in case and take them to the track.

The less you mod the more you learn. After a few days I'd move to RE71 tires, track pads like pfc08/12/11 and camber plates
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I did my very first track day early last year (then subsequent several more). Stock brakes are totally fine for first timer. You won't be going very fast the first time. In fact I wouldn't even bother doing videos or lap timing on your first track day, per my Instructor's advice. There are just lots to learn and to take in for the first time, so less distraction the better. Just go have fun.

As for brakes, stock setup is fine. I did my first track day with everything stock. I soon upgraded to BBK though. But that was because my stock rotors and pads weren't in the greatest shape to begin with. After pricing out oem replacement it wasn't that much more to get BBK. Having said that, I would suggest you do your first track day with what you have. Decide whether you want to upgrade when things are starting to wear out/need replacement.
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All the above is good advice. If you're doing SS lines and fluid already, that will be more then enough for your first/first few times out.

Go in with an open mind, ready to learn and have fun!
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Most here will tell you to keep everything besides brake fluid stock for your very first time. While there are MANY more qualified opinions than mine, and I'm sure they'll weigh in, here's mine: You won't be asking a whole lot of the brakes as the speeds won't be crazy for your first ever session. You definitely don't NEED track pads, but they won't hurt. Keep it cheap and just go enjoy your first track day! You'll learn alot, and will naturally start to identify the things that you may want to change in order for you to achieve your goals the next time out.

I will say, modding the car is an extremely slippery slope, that involves lots of money along the way. I'd certainly recommend taking it out stock (with the mods you've already planned) and enjoying yourself.
Thank you! Yeah I definitely agree with that statement- it's easy to spend money on worthless mods, as it adds up fast. The wheels are tires were a no-brainer. But I want to tread lightly on my next steps with the car. Need to figure out a goal.. as of now, I would like to keep it streetable but very track friendly with minimal changes needed on those weekends.

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For the first time you're likely fine with your oem pads. I would buy another set of pads just in case and take them to the track.

The less you mod the more you learn. After a few days I'd move to RE71 tires, track pads like pfc08/12/11 and camber plates
Thanks! I was thinking about making my NT03s dedicated track set and going with a stickier tire anyhow.

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I did my very first track day early last year (then subsequent several more). Stock brakes are totally fine for first timer. You won't be going very fast the first time. In fact I wouldn't even bother doing videos or lap timing on your first track day, per my Instructor's advice. There are just lots to learn and to take in for the first time, so less distraction the better. Just go have fun.

As for brakes, stock setup is fine. I did my first track day with everything stock. I soon upgraded to BBK though. But that was because my stock rotors and pads weren't in the greatest shape to begin with. After pricing out oem replacement it wasn't that much more to get BBK. Having said that, I would suggest you do your first track day with what you have. Decide whether you want to upgrade when things are starting to wear out/need replacement.
I plan to bring my gopro just for fun! Just for the 'gram maybe

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All the above is good advice. If you're doing SS lines and fluid already, that will be more then enough for your first/first few times out.

Go in with an open mind, ready to learn and have fun!
Sounds good! thx!
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I plan to bring my gopro just for fun! Just for the 'gram maybe
Video footage is also a great learning tool. I now use track addict and race render to overlay data onto the video. You can retrace your steps to see where you made mistakes and etc. However, being it your first time, I would suggest to at least leave out the gopro for your first few sessions. If anything, setup the gopro in the afternoon sessions after you get familiar with the track first.

Have fun, the car is a blast to track!
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Video footage is also a great learning tool. I now use track addict and race render to overlay data onto the video. You can retrace your steps to see where you made mistakes and etc. However, being it your first time, I would suggest to at least leave out the gopro for your first few sessions. If anything, setup the gopro in the afternoon sessions after you get familiar with the track first.

Have fun, the car is a blast to track!
Definitely a great learning tool, if you're looking at it critically and not just to pat yourself on the back.

Side note to the OP, ask your instructor if he's cool with you filming. Some might get the wrong message if they see a camera setup; they may think you're trying to prove to your buddies how fast you are and think you're gonna be reckless.
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Forget the camera and data first time out. Waste of time, concentrate on the fundamentals and learn to master them. Worrying about data, video and other analytical tools when you have a zero experience on track fills your head with needless items. Use your instructor to your advantage, ask questions. Vision, hands and feet, smooth on the wheel and building speed at a comfortable pace should be your goals.

Good luck.
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Forget the camera and data first time out. Waste of time, concentrate on the fundamentals and learn to master them. Worrying about data, video and other analytical tools when you have a zero experience on track fills your head with needless items. Use your instructor to your advantage, ask questions. Vision, hands and feet, smooth on the wheel and building speed at a comfortable pace should be your goals.

Good luck.
+1 forget the cam. In a few more events you'll just regret having filmed yourself crawling around the track anyways. Just enjoy the amazing first time experience because it only happens once. Focus on being smooth and feeling what the car is doing underneath you.

Also, congrats. Welcome to the best money pit.
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i'd do fluid and pads and give it a go. tracking on oem suspension will force you to be smoother if you want to be quick. my build has been slow and sort of backwards, i'm on oem suspension and seats, and those are the two things people tend to swap out immediately. while my reason has been financial limitations, my learning and understanding of the car still grows.
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Have fun! Thunderhill East is a fast track.
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