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I was there for 2 sessions in the Red e36m3 -- doing a shakedown -- so no laptimes |
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I walked the whole paddock and said hi to alot of ppl on Saturday and only saw ur car when we were leaving. We met b4 at Buttonwillow. What pads r u running? What is ur speed/gear between Turns 1-2? |
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08-19-2011, 05:56 AM | #114 | |
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I'm running Mintex pads, F3R and Extreme. The best lap time was in 6rd and around 130 mph. If I have completed my aero and suspension tuning earlier, the car should be able to stay in 5rd gear and 140 mph + during turn 1-2. But my power steer died before I had chance to try. |
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08-19-2011, 10:47 PM | #115 |
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Kind of speaking to the previous discussion on this thread regarding power/weight and lap times. Here are a couple of my recent lap times in my E30 M3 GTS3 220whp racecar, which is ~200lbs heavy with respect to the GTS4 cutoff (I will pick up some more power and lose weight after sorting out the transmission which blew in my first race ever).
Track/Course: NJMP Thunderbolt Best Lap Time: 1:32.8 Brakes: Wilwood Tires (Size & Model): NT-01 with lots of heat cycles Suspension: Bilstein GruppeN Other Mods: ... Track/Course: NJMP Lightning Best Lap Time: 1:15.6 Brakes: Wilwood Tires (Size & Model): Hankook Z214 medium compound DOT Suspension: Bilstein GruppeN Other Mods: ... Seasoned E30 M3 racers say that the E36 M3 will pull away from the E30 due to higher low end torque (assuming well optimized cars for power/weight in GTS3). The runner ups I've seen are well worked up E36 M3s and they were about 2 sec faster than I am at Lightning (but I am heavy and my GruppeN suspension is pretty dated, but then, I am not in the fastest and most developed region either). I hear the dynamic is similar in other regions. I also hear the new winning setup is to enter GTS3 with an E46 M3, which have been reported to be about 2s faster than E36 M3s at Mid Ohio. So although I think power/weight is a great first order parameter to consider for lap times and puts cars kind of within a reasonably tight range, it is not a very precise equalizer.
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So far, my observation is that the E30 M3 (as described above) is faster than a stock E92 M3 on any of the tracks I've been to (with me as the driver although I feel more comfortable pushing the E30 with the cage and safety gear), which includes the Glen. I don't have numbers to back up the Glen times in the E30 (GPS was not installed), but I am cross referencing from other drivers who told me they were turning 2:16 laps in other cars which were slower. But I suspect the gap does increase on tighter tracks such as NHMS.
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I think a relatively stock E92 is capable of 2:11 at the glen |
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08-20-2011, 12:57 PM | #119 |
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With DCT probably. Would have to be driven pretty aggressively with 6MT IMO.
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Track/Course: Roebling Road 8/21/2011
Best Lap Time: 1:26.3 Brake Pads: Cobalt XR1 / XR3 Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 285/35/18 Suspension: GC camber plates, sport springs Other Mods: borla exhaust Can someone put all these into a google document and share it? |
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Track/Course: Fontana Roval ACC
Best Lap Time: 1:57.110 Brakes: Stock Tires (Size & Model): Hankook RS-3 265/35 285/35 Suspension: H&R springs Other Mods: ... |
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Best time 2:51 Alcon 384/370 BBK carbotech xp20f, xp10r Yoko AD08 265/19/30, 295/19/30 Dinan stg. 3 Akra full, 3.45 diff.
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Track: VIR full
Best Time: 2:21 Brakes: Carbotech XP-10 Tires: Hankook RS-3 275/35/18 285/35/18 Suspension: Dinan Stage 3 Other: Exhaust, filter, Dinan tune |
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09-02-2011, 05:02 AM | #124 | |
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NJMP Thunderbolt 1:45 StopTech ST60/ST40 BBK Nitto NT01 275/35-18 all around Dinan Stage 3 suspension Other: Child seats and sippy cups removed |
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09-02-2011, 07:47 AM | #125 |
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Regarding the e30/6 vs e92 discussion,I do agree the e36 is a very capable track car. I haven't seen any e30s take the lead though, typically 3-5 secs slower in the NASA, BMW and scda races I've seen. They are both very different from the heavy e92. More tossable and a good amount smaller/more nimble.
However, I have only seen one track prepped e92, the black and red one the polish guy with NASA drives. He is substantially faster than the 30/6's. Otherwise,it seem all other comparisons are against stock e92s. Lucid have you been up against prepped ones? I think it would be interesting to see what happens when people start spending money on them, I think they still cost too much and so aren't as popular yet. Seems like a difficult comparison to me, but granted I haven't seen all but one built e92. |
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US spec S52 based E36 M3s racecars fall into GTS4 or GTS3 depending on level of development (mainly power). My guess is that an E92 M3 will be faster than an E36 M3 in GTS4 at the same power/weight with similar suspension and aero upgrades. GTS power/weight classification calculator is here: http://www.nasagts.com/2009/01/gts-c...alculator.html |
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09-03-2011, 06:55 AM | #127 | |
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U can get an e92 down to 2900 lbs and 360 whp for about $80k Those numbers make no sense = there is no way 60whp beats 400lbs around any track. And why would you want to spend twice the money to go slower? Of course, u can pour $30k into suspension and suspension/chassis tuning into either cars ....but id rather be pulling 2G thru a corner in a lighter car. Both the e36 and e46 make more race-financial sense then an e92 race prep. And you'll see S65 engines in e36 and e46 going faster then in any e92. It took Grand-Am Koni/Conti Challenge 2 yrs to make the e92 faster then the e46 ... and that was only after all the big teams phased out their e46 program and moved into the e92 at a massive cost increase. Its not until you get into the $150k range that the e92/s65 race prep can compete and dominate the BMW race prep category. 2800 lbs 420 rwhp and a massive suspension. But then, at the comparable $150k ... the Vipers and Vettes will leave you behind. So bottom line = if u want to amateur/club race (budget) ....then the e36/e46 makes much more sense. As far as best w2w bang for the buck = Spec Miata or if ur a BMW guy, E30spec is a great class. Lots of competition. Cheap parts. Great w2w learning experience. |
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09-03-2011, 11:59 AM | #128 |
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Mastek, what I do know is that new E46 M3 builds (which I assume have more weight and power than US spec S52 E36 M3s) are gapping the 08 GTS3 national champion's E36s times by about 2 seconds at mid Ohio. I am also assuming the cars are all well optimized for the GTS3 power/weight cutoff. The 08 champ himself is reportedly saying he can't compete with those times in his E36 M3. Appearently, the owners of the new E46M3 builds used to compete in GTS3 with E36 M3s before, so they moved away from those cars in favor of the E46 M3.
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Which u dont have to worry about if u have an e36 widebody |
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09-03-2011, 01:55 PM | #130 | |
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Btw, do you have an e36 widebody?
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There are so many variables... but for the sake of this discussion.. lets say u have an e36 and an e46 both with a $20k 4-way suspension/chassis tune, same brakes, same rwhp. With a pro driver and all else equal - the lighter car should put down the better lap time. |
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