Finally got to drive an M4!

[BimmerMan33]

Here's what is needed in order to make cars faster & more fuel efficient:
- less moving parts in the engine and less friction among those moving parts = quieter engines, hence addition of fake sounds.
- turbochargers to increase power & fuel efficiency = loss of sporty exhaust sound & quieter intake sound, hence addition of fake sounds.
- stiffer chassis/suspension bushings with minimal give so as to handle better at faster speeds & return faster lap times = loss/decrease in chassis feel/feedback - just feels too stiff unless driven aggressively.
Car companies have to make cars that comply with stringent regulations & meet market expectations, all while being cost effective & sustainable. People on this forum (myself included) are not representative of general market expectations!
You can only do so much when BMW builds almost all of its line up based on just 2 platforms.

Now, look at BRZ/86 twins - feels like a cheaper/lighter/slower version of e46 chassis - barely sold enough to justify a second generation. Now imagine putting a more powerful engine in it & add some sound deadening (all that's needed to make BRZ perfect), but that'll add weight & likely need stiffer suspension to handle the extra power to get reasonable lap times = a heavy car with less feel & more stiffness.

I personally prefer my e92 M3 than F8x M4 & it might be the last M car for me... we'll see!

[Space Fox]

Originally Posted by BimmerMan33

Here's what is needed in order to make cars faster & more fuel efficient:
- less moving parts in the engine and less friction among those moving parts = quieter engines, hence addition of fake sounds.
- turbochargers to increase power & fuel efficiency = loss of sporty exhaust sound & quieter intake sound, hence addition of fake sounds.
- stiffer chassis/suspension bushings with minimal give so as to handle better at faster speeds & return faster lap times = loss/decrease in chassis feel/feedback - just feels too stiff unless driven aggressively.
Car companies have to make cars that comply with stringent regulations & meet market expectations, all while being cost effective & sustainable. People on this forum (myself included) are not representative of general market expectations!
You can only do so much when BMW builds almost all of its line up based on just 2 platforms.

Now, look at BRZ/86 twins - feels like a cheaper/lighter/slower version of e46 chassis - barely sold enough to justify a second generation. Now imagine putting a more powerful engine in it & add some sound deadening (all that's needed to make BRZ perfect), but that'll add weight & likely need stiffer suspension to handle the extra power to get reasonable lap times = a heavy car with less feel & more stiffness.

I personally prefer my e92 M3 than F8x M4 & it might be the last M car for me... we'll see!

That was a roundabout way of coming to the conclusion that you prefer the
e9x to the f8x and I don't really follow your logic but cheers!

[ase2dais]

Nice writeup, thanks for sharing

[Abefroman55]

I rented a F80 M3 for 24 hours because I was extremely curious what it was like being a e93 6mt owner. I absolutely love my M3 and just wanted to know if I was missing anything. The F80 was Better than I thought but just very different. I can’t really articulate it well but I would take the E9X any day of the week. My son and I actually made a short video regarding my thoughts.

[SAMM3Y]

Originally Posted by Abefroman55

I rented a F80 M3 for 24 hours because I was extremely curious what it was like being a e93 6mt owner. I absolutely love my M3 and just wanted to know if I was missing anything. The F80 was Better than I thought but just very different. I can’t really articulate it well but I would take the E9X any day of the week. My son and I actually made a short video regarding my thoughts.

Cool vid, you got me laughing at the end at your wife! Classic...

[Abefroman55]

Haha, thank you. Means a lot.

[Space Fox]

Originally Posted by Abefroman55

Haha, thank you. Means a lot.

Haha! I enjoyed that as well. The wife part got me too as did the grandma's farts Great that you've got your son doing it with you, I'm in the no-burble club with you guys. Thanks for sharing.

[Abefroman55]

Originally Posted by Space Fox

Haha! I enjoyed that as well. The wife part got me too as did the grandma's farts Great that you've got your son doing it with you, I'm in the no-burble club with you guys. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you very much. My son and I have fun. Really glad you enjoyed. I think we are in the minority about the burble....thank you again.

[blockdoc]

Originally Posted by 954MM

The F8X has no soul. The E9X was the last real M car BMW ever made.

Whats funny is that folks say this about EVERY SINGLE generation of Ms (always the one they currently have) lol. I came form the E39 M5 and heard that daily

[DanMpower]

Originally Posted by 954MM

The F8X has no soul. The E9X was the last real M car BMW ever made.

I disagree... the last real M car was the E46 M3. The E9x is too heavy, the heaviest M3 to date, the F8x headed in the right direction by going back to a straight 6 and losing weight.


My E39 M5 which a lot of people consider one of the best M drivers cars, feels completely boring and "soul-less" to me. In stock form, it's really overrated honestly, it feels like a heavy old car with lazy steering that's decently quick.

My E92 M3s sure makes nice V8 noises and steering feels a bit more natural and quicker but it's not a car I would say is full of "soul" either. It feels heavy, a bit less precise, and more like a GT car. I would say it's more fun to drive than my E39 M5. A stock E9x M3 is probably the most exciting of the trio.

My F80 when it was stock was a bit sterile I admit, I think the combination of big torque/power, not enough traction and an overly intrusive MDM mode really killed the fun for me, at first...

After a few suspension bolt-ons, better tires, Euro MDM coding, and a tune, my F80 is easily my favorite M car by far. I get more smiles per mile on the F80 than I ever had in any other car.

If you keep your car stock, the E9x M3 will feel the most exciting. Once modded, the F8x is absolutely superior, by a large margin. Exhaust note has always been a weak area of the F8x but with the new equal length systems being released, no longer the case.

Active Autowork EL system on an F82.

[blueliner]

Originally Posted by Abefroman55

I rented a F80 M3 for 24 hours because I was extremely curious what it was like being a e93 6mt owner. I absolutely love my M3 and just wanted to know if I was missing anything. The F80 was Better than I thought but just very different. I can’t really articulate it well but I would take the E9X any day of the week. My son and I actually made a short video regarding my thoughts.

Wow! I didn't know the sausage king of Chicago was on this board.

Also good job with the Ren + Stimpy shirt on the kid. You EEEdiot!

[Abefroman55]

Haha, no one gets the Abe Froman thing. Thanks again.

[Space Fox]

Originally Posted by DumbAS55

Exhaust note has always been a weak area of the F8x but with the new equal length systems being released, no longer the case.

Active Autowork EL system on an F82.

Wow that actually sounds great! First time I have ever said that about an F8x. Really though, great job to AA for developing that system. I hope burbles/flatulence now die a quick and painful death.

[Jims M3]

I own both I have a beautiful E92 M3 in Melbourne Red and an F80 M3 in Ruby Red Metallic. First off if the car didn't have a tune it, you're not really feeling the potential of that car.

I love them both they don't seem only one generation apart. My impressions are the S65 is special, the E92 Steering is special compared to the F80.

The F80 is faster, the interior is much better, the car is more modern looking and has better options on it, that you use everyday.

I feel like the F80 is actually very tossable though too, I love the predictability of the E92 M3 on the track and can't wait to get the F80 on the track. Both great cars, I plan on keeping them both. I just think the S65 is a special motor never to be repeated and it makes the E92 that much more desirable.

[DanMpower]

Originally Posted by Jims M3

I own both I have a beautiful E92 M3 in Melbourne Red and an F80 M3 in Ruby Red Metallic. First off if the car didn't have a tune it, you're not really feeling the potential of that car.

I love them both they don't seem only one generation apart. My impressions are the S65 is special, the E92 Steering is special compared to the F80.

The F80 is faster, the interior is much better, the car is more modern looking and has better options on it, that you use everyday.

I feel like the F80 is actually very tossable though too, I love the predictability of the E92 M3 on the track and can't wait to get the F80 on the track. Both great cars, I plan on keeping them both. I just think the S65 is a special motor never to be repeated and it makes the E92 that much more desirable.

I feel the same, the S65 is a spectacular motor and I don't think BMW will ever produce anything like it again. They F8x and E9x are so different that they are worth owning both (if you can) since they don't feel like you're owning the same car. I jump between my F80 and my E90 M3 and they're both amazing vehicles, I would say though if you do get an E9x M3 it MUST be a 6MT to fully enjoy the car.

[Siajoon]

Sooo did you send this lenghtlu review of your friends car to him? Hope he kept his receipt

[Space Fox]

Originally Posted by Siajoon

Sooo did you send this lenghtlu review of your friends car to him? Hope he kept his receipt

No I did not! Lol. Luckily he enjoys the car and since he's the one that bought it that's all that matters.