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It's like they put the second one out to try and make it sound like thye were trying to reasonable.....which the first one certainly didn't. Damage control / limitation? Like they read the posts after the original statement and realized they had just dealt their own client another PR body blow! Last edited by BritBoy; 03-28-2008 at 07:20 PM.. Reason: Added text |
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03-28-2008, 07:15 PM | #1941 | |
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i had a business contact stroll by, and they still saw the car with full pricing on the side. this car is sold. and should be taken out of the car pool, and be made unavailable to anyone else (trying to hide the evidence by transferring it away huh ?) VTAIG hired you as a publicist right ? i know you types. you can't afford the real support, so you pay for it. its a desperate move, pathetic really. |
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I got this reply from corporate. Doesn't seem they care what the dealer does, doesn't apply to them.
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03-28-2008, 07:16 PM | #1943 |
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Ken, I would take the offer for a paid airfare to Lincoln, NE and inspect the car in person. Present them with whatever financing you have (a check, a certificate or whatever). Of course, don't do this without the local news crew and have everything documented, like a video so we have something nice to view on YouTube.
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Wow. I've spent the better part of 2 days perusing through 94 pages and 2000+ comments, replies, counter replies and such. Ken, you're definitely setting both precedent and class with your pursuit of this. Before I write anything further, I want to say "thanks" for your efforts thus far.
I am an owner of a 2004 545i, and a proud contributing member of BMWCCA & E60.net, a forum for current generation BMW 5 series owners (I am NOT an admin or owner of the site, merely a contributing member). My member name there is the same as here - advancedlogic. My ride is here: http://forums.e60.net/index.php?auto...bum&album=1497 I found the link to this posted here: http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=52412 Judging by your responses and your continued and repeated requests to the members of this community to cease and desist with any harassment, libel, case-related direct contact with the dealership or its entities, employees, and related assets, I opine that I cannot fathom the legal standing or ground with which counsel for the auto group seems to threaten you with for recovery. This is in no way legal advice or counsel (such should only be provided by your retained attorney). You definitely have my support as both a BMW enthusiast and general consumer who partakes in E-Bay auctions often. Continue to state only the facts as presented and only on the advice of your attorney. At the very least, you've shown the power of one, when one is an entire community of persons who detest corporate arrogance and greed. ~Al Last edited by advancedlogic; 03-28-2008 at 07:27 PM.. Reason: Failure to property police my penmanship...yikes |
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and for the troll...if it gets to the next legal step, i'm sure the judge will ask for financial status, and it will be proven that Ken has discussed with bank to arrange transfer of the amount ON-DEMAND. |
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At this point, the ONLY WINNER is the "Legal Profession", as Legal Fees continue to be generated by Attorneys on both sides. Husker's reputation is trashed, not that I care. Ken has endured unbelievable stress, in addition to lost time, and mounting financial risk. How many times have we seen "THE POWER OF THE INTERNET" used in this thread?? WE HAVE to come up with a solution to help Ken, if we are all as smart and powerful, as a Group, as we like to think we are. We can't let it go down like this. Not for our sake, but for Ken's sake and Ken's wellbeing. I have no final investment in this "saga", other than time, but I know that I will feel like a LOSER, IF the Dealership prevails. The Dealership will survive this. Fil will probably survive this, and may even eventually LAUGH about it over a few drinks with his peers, but what happens to Ken?? Will he able to buy a "new" M3 when this deal tanks, and he pays his legal fees and other associated costs? "When the tough get going, the weak get screwed" "It is better to be the hammer than the nail" excuse the rant............. Monk
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I feel like this has just turned in to a legal debacle in which both sides are going to have to vomit jargon back and forth until one concedes on a technicality. What I don't understand is if Husker is willing to incur any costs to rebuild their reputation, why wouldn't they just take the loss on the car in the first place as a 'cost' to maintain a reputation.
As for the threats regarding libel and legal action..... have fun suing 800,000+ people who have propagated the negativity surrounding your dubious business practices. Hang in there Ken! |
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Is that really BMW saying that all they really care about is selling cars to the dealers and whatever else goes on, however the buyers are treated, it's not their concern? I don't think I've ever heard a company so blatantly divorce itself from it's customers. Extraordinary! |
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Hello followers of the mayhem
Just left the dealership. The M3 is in just as pristine a condition as the day I saw it and the White coupe delivered and the miles are as announced. (got pics of it, sat in it weeks before this crap started, I started it up, sounds great, looks great). I repeat, there is NOTHING WRONG with the damn car...period so we can stop that line of drivel. I have seen it several times this week and it is being well taken care of. Further, the car is Kens, it HAS been since Monday, all he has to do is have someone, anyone, send the money and pay for it...that's it. Nothing fishy about that. I don't know about the other legal issues as stated in the Lincoln based Lawyer, other than I know the terms of payment have changed since the initial agreement on Monday as lease was brought in which BMW of Lincoln had agreed to extend another 72 hours. One thing remains, he can have the car!! No one is denying him the car, unless payment is not tendered. The dealership, from Kens admission, has been helpful and even gave him the number of someone at E-bay when he could get not response. He asked everyone to please stop the $hitstorm and several posters on this blog reminded of this. This clearly did not happen and has done nothing but fan the flames. Some of the advice, and admissions of actions, posted here were a bit frightening. In my opinion, some of what is happening now legally is a direct result of this onslaught. It doesn't affect me either way as I must remain neutral in matters like this. As President of BMW CCA, Missouri Valley Chapter in this region, we have a great relationship , as do our members, with both area dealerships. So, I am not posting to support or bash, just to relay what I know as several staff members of BMW of Lincoln are members, some board members of our chapter. Do I have Fil's (which is short for a very Italian name) phone number on my iphone, yes. Did I get an e-mail response from Larry VanTuyl on this matter when I e-mailed him, yes. Do I know the facts, seen the documents, heard the terroristic phone messages, text messages and other various pranks, and seen the disgust in the eyes of the operators that field these calls, yes. Still I kept quiet... I have not posted as I really wanted to remain neutral, figuring that the bloggers that are digging up all the data would just flame me as a troll of BMW of Lincoln. Feel free to search all you want, I am simply a BMW CCA member with some insight. If this were happening to Markel BMW, I would be doing the same thing. It isn't an issue of Dealership loyalty. I would ask that you go back and check out the dates of the BBB reports. Fil has only been there for 6-9 months. The Z-06 deal was before he was there. A little more insight. The BMW and Mercedes Benz franchise is a separate sales and service building with its own GSM, its own budget, its own sales staff and mechanics. Those BBB reports were for the GM side, a block, and a world, away. Fil cannot control something when he was not even in the state. Further, Fil did NOT even know about this situation until after the Internet sales guy tried to squash his screw-up, which is what it was, by some quick footwork that didn't obviously work. Fil found out about it, late on Friday and Ken was called and told by that it would all be straightened out on Monday as it was late, and Easter weekend was coming up. Starting Friday and continuing Sat and Easter Sunday this escalated into, well, I think we know. Know this, as promised, the car was Kens Monday. Were there some interesting requests, and did Fil get huffy on the phone, knowing him, he might have. Remember, bloggers hacked computers and were e-mail blasting him, his staff, his family and were calling him all weekend. TV reporters had called, local newspaper etc. Bloggers had called Fil's Father (who does NOT own the dealership by the way) during Easter Dinner. Also called and harassed were his sisters, brother and other family members. So, if you tell someone that it will be handled on Monday, and you get harassed ALL WEEKEND, I think I would have a few words for the ONLY person he could put a face on that had a role in all this. Given the actions of some bloggers, his actions were pretty tame. Not even going to comment on the youtube video and the pictures, which I hear are very nice centerpiece of their case at this point. This is, in my opinion, nothing more that mob mentality and has gotten way out of hand. I can share this with you. That place was packed all week with people going in to check out the "infamous" ebay M3. In fact, BMW of Lincoln has sold, and pre-sold, more cars to locals this week thru the foot traffic generated by this so. I would bet they have lost nothing from the stack of new sales order I saw. Publicity, good or bad, is still publicity, get people out to check it out, and this is great FREE publicity. I hope it hits 2,000,000 posts!!! To be quite honest, both of our area dealerships have great reputations and the CCA members go to whichever dealership is closer. The comments I am getting are, actually, not well received as to the comments and portrayals of the dealership by the bloggers. Most are saying it is just not their experience. Many supportive calls and e-mail were sent as well. For Ken I have this. Yes you will be getting your license place frames, your Husker football Tickets and, as all clients that purchase a new or CPO BMW at BMW of Lincoln, you will receive a 1 year membership to the BMW CCA (or a renewal if you already are a member). It is really too bad that you never heard that this dealership won an award from BMW CCA for the dealership signing up the most members of all dealerships in the nation...thats #1 of 368. Again, just stating facts and not throwing out random conspiracy theories. From what I saw, BMW NA is not getting involved at this time, but I am told that E-bay and BMW NA will make comments once this is over.....I think you will be interested in that information. One last thing. Fil is Not just the GM, but a part owner of the Dealership, I don't think he will be firing himself anytime soon, certainly over something like this. I am not a troll, just some lowly 1991 BMW M5 driver who happens to be closer to the situation than I expected. You can google me all you want. You will find pics of my car and articles I have written on our chapter newsletter as well as a link to our Chapter website. Feel free to flame me just the same, call me what you want, I have no angle here, nothing invested. I don't buy my cars from dealerships, only fellow CCA members. I do my own maintenance as I am an aircraft mechanic, and I don't work for BMW of Lincoln. All I can go on is my own experiences with them, which is quite positive, and I hear the same from fellow members. From here on out, I will only make comments on what I KNOW is fact in efforts to quell this firestorm and set records straight. Hurry up Ken and get this thing paid for at this great price. In the end you are getting a great car. Jeff Gomon, President Missouri Valley Chapter, BMW CCA Lincoln, NE |
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it never was about the money b/c he clearly could afford it. but look at what a circus the dealership made of it, thinking they're high and mighty. |
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But you will always rember the sick deal and mb never realy enjoy the car. And when you have to go to the dealer for service or repair - will they treat your car and you well?
I would have backed out on page 33. This dealer is for sure what he looks like on the picture. What a fake smile. HAHA Its the classic car dealer smile and now proved - a classic car dealer brain. I must say that he is lucky not to deal with me that way. US is strange in these matters. Much writing and talking - less action.
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It seems as though you agree that everything Ken has posted actually happened. So why the threats from Husker's attorney to sue for libel?
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