E9x M3 LAP TIMES (Road Course)

[joe@trinityautosport]

'08 E92 M3 6 spd
Track/Course: Chuckwalla CW
Best Lap Time: 1:55.4
Brakes: Stoptech Trophy St60/St40 (ST45 front pads & Stoptech Street rear pads)
Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 Square BFG R1S
Suspension: JRZ Motorsport Double Adjustable with SWIFT
Other Mods: Macht Schnell Stage 2 intake, Custom 2 into 1 Exhaust, Macht Schnell Solid Subframe/Diff Bushings, Fall Line Carbon Driveshaft, Custom Splitter, Brook Motorsports Wing, Full Roll Cage, AJ Harman Canards, RDSport Pulley, CF Trunk, Fiber Glass Doors

[lemanszcpm3]

'11 E90 M3 DCT Comp pack
Track/Course: Buttonwillow 13cw
Best Lap Time: 1:56.7
Brakes: Stoptech St60/St40 (ST45 front and rear pads)
Tires (Size & Model): Achilles Endurance radial GS-328 (medium compound)
Suspension: MCS Coilovers, SPL Control arms, camber arms, end links etc.
Other Mods: MS Test Pipes, M performance exhaust, APR Wing, APR Front splitter (only 3 inches from bumper as per Global time attack rules), Race tech 4009w front seats car weight with driver (150lbs) and half a tank of gas is 3560, M3 GTS DCT tune

Track/Course: Laguna Seca
Best Lap Time: 1:41
Same tires, but without aero, front seats, no spl links.

[4M]

'13 E92 M3 DCT Competition package
Track/Course: Autobahn Country Club - Full Track
Best Lap Time: 2:48.23
Brakes: Stoptech St60/St40 (PFC 11 front and rear pads)
Tires (Size & Model): 18" Hankook RS-3
Suspension: Front and rear sway bars, K&W coiler, Vorschlag camber plates
Other Relevant Mods: MRF subframe business, TMS rear diff mounts, Fall-Line GTR cage, Recaro Profi seat, Schroth 6 pt. harness, Volk TE-SL wheels, Challenge CF/Kevlar trunk, Eisennman Race exhaust, RKP front splitter and rear wing, Cantrell brake duct cooling, do88 oil/DCT cooler and radiator

[evilspiritM3]

Buttonwillow 13CW
2:06.45
2011 E90 M3
MCS 2 way NR, Springs: 700F/900R, PFC BBK w/ PFC 11s, Nitto NT-01s 275/35/18 square, Aluminum Rear Subframe Bushings, Turner Test Pipes, Bimmerworld Race Exhaust, 3150lbs w/o driver and half tank gas.
13NOV2016

[joe@trinityautosport]

'08 E92 M3 6 spd
Track/Course: Chuckwalla CCW
Best Lap Time: 1:54.7
Brakes: Stoptech Trophy St60/St40 (ST45 front pads & Stoptech Street rear pads)
Tires (Size & Model): 280/300 Yoko Slicks (USED)
Suspension: JRZ Motorsport Double Adjustable with SWIFT
Other Mods: Macht Schnell Stage 2 intake, Custom 2 into 1 Exhaust, Macht Schnell Solid Subframe/Diff Bushings, Fall Line Carbon Driveshaft, Custom Splitter, Brook Motorsports Wing, Full Roll Cage, AJ Harman Canards, RDSport Pulley, CF Trunk, Fiber Glass Doors

[DB]

Got in my first ever trip to Road Atlanta over the weekend. Great event with MVP Tracktime. Compared to PCA and BMW CCA, MVP really packs a lot of track time into a day.

My best lap time was 1:38.65. I'm anxious to go back to try to improve on that, but given this was a long haul from near Philly, I don't know when that will be.

I didn't notice until today that jakob66 had recently posted a Road Atlanta video. I wish I had seen that earlier as there is always something for me to learn from his videos.

My basic track mods: Essex AP Brakes with Ferado DS1.11 pads; Ohlins R&T; Recaro Profi; Test Pipes w/Bimmerworld race exhaust; 275/35 Hankook z214 C51

[S2000]

'08 E92 M3 6 spd
Track/Course: Texas World Speedway (TWS) CCW
Best Lap Time: 1:55.4
Brakes: Stock Calipers with PFC01 Pads
Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 NT01
Suspension: KW Competition Coilover
Weight: 3755lb with driver
Other Mods: Macht Schnell Solid Subframe Bushings, BMC drop-in Air Filter, Remus cat-back exhaust, BPM stage 2 tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWFJ2DeJHhE

[ThunderMoose]

Originally Posted by S2000

'08 E92 M3 6 spd
Track/Course: Texas World Speedway (TWS) CCW
Best Lap Time: 1:55.4
Brakes: Stock Calipers with PFC01 Pads
Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 NT01
Suspension: KW Competition Coilover
Weight: 3755lb with driver
Other Mods: Macht Schnell Solid Subframe Bushings, BMC drop-in Air Filter, Remus cat-back exhaust, BPM stage 2 tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWFJ2DeJHhE

Great job!

[joe@trinityautosport]

'08 E92 M3 6 spd
Track/Course: Buttonwillow 13CW
Best Lap Time: 1:50.1 NT01
Brakes: Stoptech Trophy St60/St40 (ST45 front pads & Stoptech Street rear pads)
Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 / 305/35/18 Nitto NT01
Suspension: JRZ Motorsport Double Adjustable with SWIFT
Other Mods: Macht Schnell Stage 2 intake, Custom 2 into 1 Exhaust, Macht Schnell Solid Subframe/Diff Bushings, Fall Line Carbon Driveshaft, Custom Splitter, Brook Motorsports Wing, Full Roll Cage, AJ Harman Canards, RDSport Pulley, CF Trunk, Fiber Glass Doors

I also recorded my PB 1:49.7 with heat cycled out left front Pirelli Slick, right front yoko slick, and rear yoko slicks. Last session of the day 5th lap

[TheKosherStogie]

^nice on NT01. Don't think I've seen anyone hit 50s in an e9x on anything but TD or Hoosier type

[joe@trinityautosport]

Originally Posted by TheKosherStogie

^nice on NT01. Don't think I've seen anyone hit 50s in an e9x on anything but TD or Hoosier type

Thank you! I was pushing the limits of those tires...I think I can do a 49 in it.

[WhatsADSM]

11 E90 M3 DCT
Track/Course: Road America
Best Lap Time: 2:33.12
Brakes: Stoptech Trophy St60/St40 (Pagid RS29)
Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 Pirreli DH take-off slicks (on their last day but still working fairly well)
Suspension: 2-way KW Clubsports
Other Mods: Test pipes, pulley

I've been avoiding updating this thread for a while but I've come to terms with it. Ran at Road America in the fall with the local BMW CCA (advanced group). Car was running well all day and I was FLYING, beat my previous best considerably and was passing lots of race prepped e46 Ms, GT3s, a race prepped e92 M, etc. Obviously I was pushing the car way too hard.

Good news: In my last session that I remembered to turn Harry's on I did a 2:33.12! I actually believe that I was running a little bit faster yet in my next session just based on how crazy I was driving it, but I forgot to turn on HLT so I won't know for sure. In any case 2:33.12 seems pretty good because I looked up qualifying times for the 2016 SCCA Majors June sprints T2 class (where our e9x M3s are classed) and it looks like that time is mid-pack (in a street car!).

Bad news: When you drive at 10/10ths (sometimes 11/10ths) and leave no room for error bad things can happen. I'll leave it at that since this is a public forum. Be safe out there!

For reference it is an E90 M DCT with test pipes, StopTechs, KW clubsports, square apex 18s with (almost dead but still sticking) 275/35/18 take-off Pirelli DH slicks.

And one final note:
TC Kline was there (was actually running around with him in my last session) and let me say he is unquestionably the nicest and most supportive vendor I have EVER met. I just met the man and had his competitors suspension ( I actually wanted his but found a good deal on used KWs). For a total stranger that didn't have his product he helped me out, gave me a tow, and even was willing to let me borrow a car cover. Talk about service - I know what suspension is going on to my next car!

[Ahmed Jimmy]

Been a while since I posted on the forums since my car build thread so thought I share a recent lap time in a Time Attack event I attended.

11 E92 M3 DCT
Track/Course: Yas Marina - South Circuit
Best Lap Time: 1:11:04
Brakes: AP Racing by Essex Front BBK - Ferodo Ds1.11 Front Pads / DS2500 Rear Pads
Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 Nitto NT01
Suspension: 2-way KW Clubsports
Other Mods: Full Exhaust, ESS Tune, BPM DCT Tune, Pulleys

[u2b][/u2b]

Surprisingly, I was able to put down a faster lap (0.5 seconds faster) with Hankook TD tires and camber plates -stock suspension- (no video so thought I'd post this instead). When analyzing both laps, I was able to do turn 2/3 faster on Hankooks and the last turn as well, resulting in a faster straight line speed.

All comments/feedback appreciated.

[8600RPM]

Well from my research more often then not stock suspension, especially zcp with the active sport edc coupled with camber plates is faster than tge majority of expletive with coilovers.I believe the coilovers are technically a good product, 2 factors prevent them from performing better than oem.
1. Vast majority of people probably don't have the ability to really tune their coilovers
2. Coilovers setups are only perfect for one type of corner vs edc adjusts every millisecond to give perfect compression and rebound absorption based on many variables which are present on any given track.

I've been rather happy with vorshlag camber plates and re71r tires and put down as good or better times than other e92s with full suspension and Hoosier or nt01 tires.

[elim11]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Well from my research more often then not stock suspension, especially zcp with the active sport edc coupled with camber plates is faster than tge majority of expletive with coilovers.I believe the coilovers are technically a good product, 2 factors prevent them from performing better than oem.
1. Vast majority of people probably don't have the ability to really tune their coilovers
2. Coilovers setups are only perfect for one type of corner vs edc adjusts every millisecond to give perfect compression and rebound absorption based on many variables which are present on any given track.

I've been rather happy with vorshlag camber plates and re71r tires and put down as good or better times than other e92s with full suspension and Hoosier or nt01 tires.

The stock edc does not adjust millions of times per second. It's not an active system that adjust to road conditions. I think you have that confused with like magnetic control suspension like in the corvette z06, etc.

Stock edc is not as capable as proper Coilover system. What you said about tuning the suspension is important but out the box it should be better than edc...

Like with everything, driver mod is most important mod over everything. Same reason why you get passed up occasionally in civics , miatas etc.

[Ahmed Jimmy]

Originally Posted by elim11

The stock edc does not adjust millions of times per second. It's not an active system that adjust to road conditions. I think you have that confused with like magnetic control suspension like in the corvette z06, etc.

Stock edc is not as capable as proper Coilover system. What you said about tuning the suspension is important but out the box it should be better than edc...

Like with everything, driver mod is most important mod over everything. Same reason why you get passed up occasionally in civics , miatas etc.

Thanks for your input, I think what I was trying to refer to in my post is how good the m3 suspension is in stock form, with good tires and enough camber in front, I was able to get very good lap times.

When I overlay both laps together (I use Harry Lap Timer) I was faster on most of the turns (especially that double right hander) with KW than stock suspension, its just the NT01 (and probably my driving skills) could not get me to do a better lap time.

Cheers!

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Well from my research more often then not stock suspension, especially zcp with the active sport edc coupled with camber plates is faster than tge majority of expletive with coilovers.I believe the coilovers are technically a good product, 2 factors prevent them from performing better than oem.
1. Vast majority of people probably don't have the ability to really tune their coilovers
2. Coilovers setups are only perfect for one type of corner vs edc adjusts every millisecond to give perfect compression and rebound absorption based on many variables which are present on any given track.

I've been rather happy with vorshlag camber plates and re71r tires and put down as good or better times than other e92s with full suspension and Hoosier or nt01 tires.

i don't quite agree. and i'm still on my oem zcp suspension. i got into the car thinking zcp/edc would be good enough for what i wanted to do with the car. after progressing as a driver, i'm finding my previous assumptions to be wrong.
edc helps with keeping the roll to a minimum through sweepers and some transitions if the track surface is smooth. over imperfections on the track surface, rumble strips, and certain transitions, edc is far from superior to a properly setup coilover. the valving just isn't there and edc doesn't help this at all. i've been running ecd on comfort since i found i was reaching the limit with the edc on certain parts of certain tracks. firmer is better, right? wrong. the car was bouncy, and the tires were skipping over track imperfections, causing me to lose traction. this equated to an unsettled car and a slower lap time. the valving is far from perfect in any setting.
based on your statement in the second point you made, i don't think you have a good understanding of coilovers, or an understanding of what edc actually does.

[8600RPM]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

i don't quite agree. and i'm still on my oem zcp suspension. i got into the car thinking zcp/edc would be good enough for what i wanted to do with the car. after progressing as a driver, i'm finding my previous assumptions to be wrong.
edc helps with keeping the roll to a minimum through sweepers and some transitions if the track surface is smooth. over imperfections on the track surface, rumble strips, and certain transitions, edc is far from superior to a properly setup coilover. the valving just isn't there and edc doesn't help this at all. i've been running ecd on comfort since i found i was reaching the limit with the edc on certain parts of certain tracks. firmer is better, right? wrong. the car was bouncy, and the tires were skipping over track imperfections, causing me to lose traction. this equated to an unsettled car and a slower lap time. the valving is far from perfect in any setting.
based on your statement in the second point you made, i don't think you have a good understanding of coilovers, or an understanding of what edc actually does.

Never experienced that with zcp edc which is fully active in sport mode. Comfort isn't helping you. I drive on many bumpy tracks so not sure but not at all my experience. Not discounting a perfectly setup set of coils but just saying edc is much more flexible with surfaces,and types of corners v coilovers

[roastbeef]

Comfort is absolutely helping. Edc remains active in comfort mode and still helps in smooth turns and transitions. The softer valving of comfort mode allows the suspension to work better. I dropped a lot of time at three different courses exploring this. I know it doesn't sound right, but try it and see.

[dogbone]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Not discounting a perfectly setup set of coils but just saying edc is much more flexible with surfaces,and types of corners v coilovers

EDC is much more flexible than coilovers? I don't agree with that statement at all.

Perhaps I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you elaborate on what you mean?

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Jimmy

Been a while since I posted on the forums since my car build thread so thought I share a recent lap time in a Time Attack event I attended.

11 E92 M3 DCT
Track/Course: Yas Marina - South Circuit
Best Lap Time: 1:11:04
Brakes: AP Racing by Essex Front BBK - Ferodo Ds1.11 Front Pads / DS2500 Rear Pads
Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 Nitto NT01
Suspension: 2-way KW Clubsports
Other Mods: Full Exhaust, ESS Tune, BPM DCT Tune, Pulleys

[u2b][/u2b]

Surprisingly, I was able to put down a faster lap (0.5 seconds faster) with Hankook TD tires and camber plates -stock suspension- (no video so thought I'd post this instead). When analyzing both laps, I was able to do turn 2/3 faster on Hankooks and the last turn as well, resulting in a faster straight line speed.

All comments/feedback appreciated.

What are your settings? Did you get a corner balance? Set your suspension up and now go drive on TD with your clubsports. You'll definitely be faster.

[ThunderMoose]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Jimmy

Been a while since I posted on the forums since my car build thread so thought I share a recent lap time in a Time Attack event I attended.

11 E92 M3 DCT
Track/Course: Yas Marina - South Circuit
Best Lap Time: 1:11:04
Brakes: AP Racing by Essex Front BBK - Ferodo Ds1.11 Front Pads / DS2500 Rear Pads
Tires (Size & Model): 275/35/18 Nitto NT01
Suspension: 2-way KW Clubsports
Other Mods: Full Exhaust, ESS Tune, BPM DCT Tune, Pulleys

[u2b][/u2b]

Surprisingly, I was able to put down a faster lap (0.5 seconds faster) with Hankook TD tires and camber plates -stock suspension- (no video so thought I'd post this instead). When analyzing both laps, I was able to do turn 2/3 faster on Hankooks and the last turn as well, resulting in a faster straight line speed.

All comments/feedback appreciated.

TD's are 80tw compared to NT01 100tw, so they should be faster.