what could have caused this 2-month-old BMW i7 to catch fire? Is it the battery?

[SpaceSilver.X1]

what could have caused this 2-month-old BMW i7 to catch fire? Is it the battery?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NdsYoZjHNRM

[tturedraider]

More than likely

[RPM33]

Terrible!! Why would anyone want an i EV or any other EV after seeing this? EV’s are in their infancy, I would prefer not to be a guinea pig for them.

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Terrible!! Why would anyone want an i EV or any other EV after seeing this? EV’s are in their infancy, I would prefer not to be a guinea pig for them.

ICE cars never catch on fire.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Terrible!! Why would anyone want an i EV or any other EV after seeing this? EV’s are in their infancy, I would prefer not to be a guinea pig for them.

They are meant to destroy private vehicle ownership altogether. A bridge to the WEF Great Reset.

Luckily, the battery tech is so unstable and so incapable of functioning in the manner everyone requires (aside from those living in 15-minute city coompods), that EVs have already failed as even the dimmest among us are beginning to realize what a farce it all is.

We have neighbors who laid out over 100k on a Tesla and photovoltaic charging system, and no longer even drive due to charging anxiety and the inconvenience of it all.

Still waiting for the thing to go up in flames.

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Terrible!! Why would anyone want an i EV or any other EV after seeing this?

Well, perhaps gas cars actually catch fire more often, and so if that's your metric, you ought to get an EV.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...bout-ev-fires/

Sigh, welcome to the weekly anti EV thread. Let's beat this horse some more.

(And to stave off the accusations I love EV's, I don't, I don't own one and my next purchase coming up won't be one either. I just get annoyed by misinformation is all.)

[SpaceSilver.X1]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Well, perhaps gas cars actually catch fire more often, and so if that's your metric, you ought to get an EV.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...bout-ev-fires/

Sigh, welcome to the weekly anti EV thread. Let's beat this horse some more.

(And to stave off the accusations I love EV's, I don't, I don't own one and my next purchase coming up won't be one either. I just get annoyed by misinformation is all.)

I had a Mercedes ICE sedan that burst into flames in the driveway in the middle of the night. Any car that has an energy source(gas or electricity) can and does catch fire, unfortunately.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by SpaceSilver.X1

I had a Mercedes ICE sedan that burst into flames in the driveway in the middle of the night. Any car that has an energy source(gas or electricity) can and does catch fire, unfortunately.

That’s true. One significant difference. A few hundred gallons of water and your gas powered car fire is completely extinguished. 40,000+ gallons of water later and the EV car fire might be fully extinguished…or it might not be.

[crashoverride]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Well, perhaps gas cars actually catch fire more often, and so if that's your metric, you ought to get an EV.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...bout-ev-fires/

Sigh, welcome to the weekly anti EV thread. Let's beat this horse some more.

(And to stave off the accusations I love EV's, I don't, I don't own one and my next purchase coming up won't be one either. I just get annoyed by misinformation is all.)

Well said... A gasoline car enthusiast website isn't going to have many singing the praises of the future of automotive vehicles.

I can just imagine the only two threads on an EV board... is it the battery..?? Is it the Motor..??

The simple fact is there is so much money being put into the EV industry. It still has a lot of room to grow and develop. Hard to compare mature ICE business to an immature EV.

In the long run EV's maintenance is going to win once range anxiety gets solved.

[Car-Addicted]

I haven't seen any one claim that EV catch fire more often than ICE cars but when they do it's generally not a small localized fire. EV's tend to burn to the ground and are generally hard to extinguish. Maybe if the powers that be were not forcing this technology on us we might not be using EV short comings to point out the folly of the mandates?



By the way do you think the EV fire issue will get worse or better when there are more EV's on the road and the average age of the EV's is older and closer to the expensive battery replacement? Or when the market is filled with cheap Chinese EV's?

[co_440i]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I haven't seen any one claim that EV catch fire more often than ICE cars but when they do it's generally not a small localized fire. EV's tend to burn to the ground and are generally hard to extinguish. Maybe if the powers that be were not forcing this technology on us we might not be using EV short comings to point out the folly of the mandates?



By the way do you think the EV fire issue will get worse or better when there are more EV's on the road and the average age of the EV's is older and closer to the expensive battery replacement? Or when the market is filled with cheap Chinese EV's?

The US market will never be "filled with cheap Chinese EVs." We don't even permit the import of Chinese cell phones, we're never going to let mobile PLA SIGINT platforms drive around American streets.

As to your other question, plenty of EVs have been on the road for a decade+ at this point, and if the rate of these fires is higher, it's not significantly so, and it's still way lower than ICE.

[SpaceSilver.X1]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

That’s true. One significant difference. A few hundred gallons of water and your gas powered car fire is completely extinguished. 40,000+ gallons of water later and the EV car fire might be fully extinguished…or it might not be.

actually... zero gallon of water was needed to put out that fire. The fire started with the electronics inside the rear trunk. It basically destroyed the entire trunk and part of the rear seat. However, the fire stopped when all the oxygen inside was consumed. By the time the fire trucks rolled up to my house, there was nothing to put out. The fire marshal took pics and provided me with a report for the insurance company. The actual repair took over 2 months. It was way before the pandemic, so the amount of time was not due to parts shortage, but all the stuff they had to do to restore it. My bill was $1000 for the deductible... GEICO paid close to $10,000 for the rest.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by co_440i

The US market will never be "filled with cheap Chinese EVs."

Hmmm Never say Never
Chinese Automakers Are Knocking on America's Door
Dec 14, 2023
The Geely-owned Polestar, Volvo and Lotus are not only sold here, the brands are also investing heavily in U.S. manufacturing. Earlier this year, Polestar said it would move production of its 2 sedan to South Carolina, joining the 3 SUV and Volvo EX90 SUV starting in 2024.

"Localized production is more critical than ever, particularly in the growing electric vehicle sector. Geely was an early Chinese auto giant to produce vehicles in the U.S., and it is taking a tactical approach to increasing U.S. production beyond a single car — Volvo's S60 sedan," Paul Waatti, manager of industry analysis at AutoPacific told Newsweek.
https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-aut...s-door-1849689

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by Neusser

They are meant to destroy private vehicle ownership altogether. A bridge to the WEF Great Reset.

Luckily, the battery tech is so unstable and so incapable of functioning in the manner everyone requires (aside from those living in 15-minute city coompods), that EVs have already failed as even the dimmest among us are beginning to realize what a farce it all is.

We have neighbors who laid out over 100k on a Tesla and photovoltaic charging system, and no longer even drive due to charging anxiety and the inconvenience of it all.

Still waiting for the thing to go up in flames.

This and I completely agree. The whole thing is a joke and I have been saying that since all this bs started. When the government started ramming this garbage down our throats I knew then and there it was junk. Nothing that’s good or worth its salt needs government intervention or tax breaks/incentives is any other help if it’s a truly good product. Same with solar panels. Point is if something it’s good enough it will stand on its own two feet without help from Uncle Sam. The tech is honestly terrible at this point and other than a hybrid like the new M5i never zero interest is a full blown ev and don’t see that changing anytime soon. Until and if it can do 500-600 miles on a charge f add the charge for 80% battery it’s like 5-10 minutes I’m not interested. Period.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Terrible!! Why would anyone want an i EV or any other EV after seeing this? EV’s are in their infancy, I would prefer not to be a guinea pig for them.

This guinea pig is very very expensive

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by co_440i

The US market will never be "filled with cheap Chinese EVs." We don't even permit the import of Chinese cell phones, we're never going to let mobile PLA SIGINT platforms drive around American streets.

As to your other question, plenty of EVs have been on the road for a decade+ at this point, and if the rate of these fires is higher, it's not significantly so, and it's still way lower than ICE.

You heard it here first, folks.

I left the US over 15 years ago, and had a hard time not purchasing cheap, made-in-China shit--and I was actually trying not to!

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by SpaceSilver.X1

what could have caused this 2-month-old BMW i7 to catch fire? Is it the battery?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NdsYoZjHNRM

Now, to address the real question....

That fire is not in the battery compartment. That fire is from material ON the left front wheel. Could be anything. Including sabotage. The Anti-EV heads are so rabid as they do attack EV's here, there, and everywhere.

I can't imagine the level of dysfunction that is required for that.....

Shawn

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Now, to address the real question....

That fire is not in the battery compartment. That fire is from material ON the left front wheel. Could be anything. Including sabotage. The Anti-EV heads are so rabid as they do attack EV's here, there, and everywhere.

I can't imagine the level of dysfunction that is required for that.....

Shawn

"Including sabotage."

Beyond hilarious.

[SpaceSilver.X1]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Now, to address the real question....

That fire is not in the battery compartment. That fire is from material ON the left front wheel. Could be anything. Including sabotage. The Anti-EV heads are so rabid as they do attack EV's here, there, and everywhere.

I can't imagine the level of dysfunction that is required for that.....

Shawn

most anti-EV people resort to rolling coal... at least that's what I've seen in person numerous times. or they also deliberately park in spots reserved for Tesla Superchargers at my local gas station. It got so bad that they put chains with padlocks in those spots. Tesla drivers have to go inside the convenience store and ask the employee to comes out to unlock it.

[Nahlem]

Right EVs are so dangerous and catch fire so often this should be at this point illegal to spread its pure miss information, its been stated over and over and thousand times over again EVs do not catch fire more often then ICE cars the Swedish MSB has shown that on 100 000 vehicles 4 EVs burn on the ICE side it is 36 per 100 000 vehicles. If anything ICE should be definitely banned from being parked in closed areas or being transported on boats.

Claiming EVs are subsided because they aint good while Oil has been subsided sense the 1830s and they still haven't managed to make them more then 25-30% effective that if anything is a sham. How them oils wells doing for ya in the US? Still leaking enormous amount of methane, benzine and other dangerous chemicals out in the environment because guess what oil companies couldn't care less about plugging those damn things properly. Or remember that single gallon of oil can contaminate as much one million gallons of water, hows the BP oil spill going over there? But thats alright to do just so you can fuel up your car in less then one minute at the gas station.

You are claiming EVs are in their infancy damn straight they are and yet they are beating ICE vehicles on a daily basis in many areas imagine if EVs had investing in them as much as ice when they first back in the in 1800s imagine where we would be then. But no we chose the oil way unfortunate.

And get this firemen have been putting our fires on ICEs sense they came thats about about 200 years of fire fighting ICE fires, i am sure our fire departments will figure out a faster way to put out battery fires in the very near future if they haven't already.

Anyone with a decent brain in their head understands this. You are comparing a product thats been around sense our industrial revolution basicly to something that what Tesla in 2008 with their roadster started putting out and now what only 15e years later we are here imagine if all the other automotive companies would have taken EVs seriously 2008 where we would be in comparison to today.

So stop the blatant bashing on EVs its getting tiresome.

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by Nahlem

Right EVs are so dangerous and catch fire so often this should be at this point illegal to spread its pure miss information, its been stated over and over and thousand times over again EVs do not catch fire more often then ICE cars the Swedish MSB has shown that on 100 000 vehicles 4 EVs burn on the ICE side it is 36 per 100 000 vehicles. If anything ICE should be definitely banned from being parked in closed areas or being transported on boats.

Claiming EVs are subsided because they aint good while Oil has been subsided sense the 1830s and they still haven't managed to make them more then 25-30% effective that if anything is a sham. How them oils wells doing for ya in the US? Still leaking enormous amount of methane, benzine and other dangerous chemicals out in the environment because guess what oil companies couldn't care less about plugging those damn things properly. Or remember that single gallon of oil can contaminate as much one million gallons of water, hows the BP oil spill going over there? But thats alright to do just so you can fuel up your car in less then one minute at the gas station.

You are claiming EVs are in their infancy damn straight they are and yet they are beating ICE vehicles on a daily basis in many areas imagine if EVs had investing in them as much as ice when they first back in the in 1800s imagine where we would be then. But no we chose the oil way unfortunate.

And get this firemen have been putting our fires on ICEs sense they came thats about about 200 years of fire fighting ICE fires, i am sure our fire departments will figure out a faster way to put out battery fires in the very near future if they haven't already.

Anyone with a decent brain in their head understands this. You are comparing a product thats been around sense our industrial revolution basicly to something that what Tesla in 2008 with their roadster started putting out and now what only 15e years later we are here imagine if all the other automotive companies would have taken EVs seriously 2008 where we would be in comparison to today.

So stop the blatant bashing on EVs its getting tiresome.

Perhaps it would behoove you to know the EV's existed before the ICE. Perhaps you should also do some research on the destruction to the environment done by building EV's including destroying the land of some of the poorest countries in the world.

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

Perhaps it would behoove you to know the EV's existed before the ICE. Perhaps you should also do some research on the destruction to the environment done by building EV's including destroying the land of some of the poorest countries in the world.

I am well aware of the issues with EV batteries production it something these companies producing them have to get better at no doubt about it. We are at the beginning of this and finally we can actually put in place measures on a whole industry that will come to dominate our markets in the very near future.

Unlike when the oil craze started we didn't even bother to put in regulations when we should have why? Because we didn't know better but now we do and we still don't place the amount of restriction on it as we should do compared to the scrutiny the EV market is facing, and don't get me wrong i am all for scrutiny on a industry whether it be the automotive or something else. That is a good thing.

But the problem today is that the oil industries is so gigantic that its become an own living breathing thing lobbying out as much as possible of the regulations hitting them. While during its whole lifetime preventing new industries competing with them due to becoming to big so it can outmanoeuvre all new industrious whether it be by buying them or some other way that money can stop competition against them.

You have to take in to account the whole big picture of both EVs and ICE. There is this argument coming up constantly "Oh well the ores for batteries is rare and its exploiting people" and i agree its wrong and should be dealt with as a consumer making our choices is what is going to drive the market in right direction, but don't for a second believe that ICE cars are innocent in this matter they contain other minerals that are rare as well just go look up what type of minerals are used in a catalytic converter on a car. Heck look up if we even can supply all the worlds cars with catalytic converters. Heck in my country of BiH where i was born they remove both catalytic converters and particle filters due to their petrol/diesel being so dirty that it clogs new cars. So yeah there is that aspect also on the ICE side. But am i mad at this ? No i am not i completely understand not all country's can afford better compared to what we have in the West world.

Thats no mere easy ores needed to get, for a thing that doesn't work the first 10-15 minutes of the car starting if its even colder it takes even longer and during that whole time the ICE care is realising all those emissions right out in the environment unfiltered until it reaches its optimal working temperature only to be turned of when arriving at work because well work was only 10-15 min away with the car, obviously not all faces same short driving times with their cars.

This is the problem with the whole debate EV vs ICE its so one sided that people have forgotten how bad our cars used to be compared to today, and how much materials are needed today to make an ICE car "Greener" compared to back in the 60-70s before regulations started taking place.