335i rival: the new Audi S4, with a 3.0 supercharged V6. 333hp/440Nm

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by asian010

ic my bad. i have posted after that post that i heard this from a episode of top gear. so apparently they were wrong. thanks for the info!

No problem.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by hotrod2448

I personally believe that "boost" in power will just be a correction of advertised HP to accurately reflect what the car has always had now that the E46 M3 is out of production.

that's what I'm guessin too.

[audiprotein]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...83197544018466


This should help.

I'd hit an S4. Even an RS4/5. I love Audi's.

LOL i saw that video a while ago and remember discussing it on AZ. But i still dont understand how Quattro (mechanical) AWD would spin the rear wheels only.

[footie]

This has just being posted on the CAR magazine website.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...08-CAR-review/

Originally Posted by CAR

The new Audi S4 is either Ingolstadt’s idea of a bad joke or a stroke of genius. If you follow the former line of thought, then you’re from the camp that thinks the economy has jumped off a cliff, gone into freefall and the last thing the world needs is a grunty super-saloon.

But if you side with the latter then Audi’s timing with the S4 couldn’t be more apt – the company has replaced its old 4.2-litre V8 with a new, smaller, supercharged V6. This car is potentially very in tune with these downsizing times.

And while the headline power figures might be down, they still surpass the equivalent Mercedes or BMW. The torque figure also bests both (and the old S4), while mpg figures are 26 percent better that before. The new S4 will even cost a few grand less than its predecessor. Time to find out if the drive is as good as the stats...

Start me off with the Audi S4’s new engine – any good?
The big V8 lump from the old car has been dumped, and in comes the direct-injection 2995cc supercharged V6 from the recently revised A6. Only here the 3.0-litre gets a tweak to lift power from 286 to 329bhp, while torque is up from 310 to 325lb ft.

Compared to the old S4’s 344bhp, you might be disappointed that the power figure is down, but then the new car has more torque (versus the old car's 302lb ft) spread across 2900-5300rpm, rather than peaking at 3500rpm. And the new S4 weighs 10kg less, too.

However, this engine doesn’t scream and shout about its power – even Audi’s own PR team admit the S4 is a bit of a whisperer. Personally we’d prefer a more exciting base tune, some more supercharged whine and something to tell us about the top-end fury. Because unlike other blown engines, this S4’s 3.0-litre keeps on going right up the rev range.

That muted sound actually serves to make the S4 seem even quicker than it already is. Tickle the throttle and you’re away – speed is effortless, responses are immediate. The benchmark 0-62mph sprint is dismissed in 5.1 seconds, half a second quicker than the old car, while 50-75mph in fourth gear takes a mere 4.4 seconds.

Is there some trick gearbox to go with the new Audi S4's fancy engine?
A six-speed manual 'box is standard, but some extra cash will buy you the seven-speed dual-clutch S-tronic. The latter offers two modes (Drive and Sport), paddles behind the wheel to change gear, and a fuel economy improvement, upping the figure from 29.1 to 30mpg – that’s 27 percent better than the old S4.

However, the extra gear in the seven-speed ‘box means an extra change is needed to reach 62mph, dropping the benchmark sprint time to 5.3 seconds. The S-tronic box has seamless shifts, without interruption to the torque delivery. It never ceases to amaze.

The only pity about enjoying all this performance is that after 300 miles, we returned the S4 with 17.7mpg on the trip computer, balding Bridgestones and 18-inch wheels caked in brake dust. Still, more sedate everyday driving might bring that claimed 30mpg average figure within reach.


Quattro, I presume, is standard on the new S4?
But of course, with the latest 40:60 front:rear torque split – just make sure you spec the optional sport differential to get the best out of the new S4. It works like the system in BMW's X6, distributing torque between the rear wheels.

But unlike BMW’s trick diff, Audi’s fancy system works under a trailing throttle. So, turn into a corner and torque is sent so the outside rear wheel, reducing understeer, or – if you’re reaching the limit of adhesion – twist action goes to the wheel nearest the apex.

Response times are less than 100 milliseconds and the result is not just more or less understeer, but a nose that turns in and a rear that tracks to match. You can even four-wheel drift if you want, but those who fancy the BMW 335i still might find the S4 a little boring. However, pick a section of twisting Tarmac and the Audi might well be faster than the BMW.

Are the S4's looks too understated?
Of course this is a subjective answer, but while the R8 or blistered-wheelarch RS6 shout money, the S4 is indeed understated, looking no more impressive than a regular A4 adorned with the S-line bodykit.

But the result is a socially acceptable super-saloon, even in the bright red of our test car. Somehow silver wing mirrors, quad exhaust pipes and 18-inch wheels just don't seem too aggressive while the interior is equally restrained, but always cosseting and classy.

Verdict
Match the S4 up against an M3 or C63 and it won’t come out on top. But then these cars aren’t rivals – better to face the S4 off against the 335i and C350. If you do, you’ll find an Audi that’s quicker point-to-point.

But the beauty of the new S4 is in its understated looks – this is a real Q-car, and a bloody quick one too. Some potential customers may actually find it too unassuming, but we rather like it.

CAR's rating = 4

Handling = 4
Performance = 4
Usability = 5
Feelgood factor = 5
Readers' rating = 4.5

The only surprise I see here is that the DCT gearbox is increasing the sprint time to 60mph by 0.2s.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by footie

This has just being posted on the CAR magazine website.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...08-CAR-review/



The only surprise I see here is that the DCT gearbox is increasing the sprint time to 60mph by 0.2s.

Thanks for the article. So it may be more boring, but it'll be faster.

Depends on what people value: speed or driving experience.

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

Thanks for the article. So it may be more boring, but it'll be faster and more expensive.

Depends on what people value: speed or driving experience.

Fixed.

[latebloomer]

http://www.motorauthority.com/audi-u...-s4-avant.html

OUCH....
Pricing starts at €50,950 ($67,100) for the S4 sedan in Europe, which will make it start around 60k in the USA.

Really liked this car, but its m3 pricing does not fit its performance. Such a let down.

Anyone think it will be lot lower than the European price?? Tell me some good news...

[audiprotein]

Originally Posted by late_boomer

http://www.motorauthority.com/audi-u...-s4-avant.html

OUCH....
Pricing starts at €50,950 ($67,100) for the S4 sedan in Europe, which will make it start around 60k in the USA.

Really liked this car, but its m3 pricing does not fit its performance. Such a let down.

Anyone think it will be lot lower than the European price?? Tell me some good news...

One of the articles says that it would be a bit cheaper than the previous v8 model, so i guess low 50's fully loaded.

[sparkyg]

bleh, old man Audi.

Comparing the S4 to the 335 is stupid too.

I am starting to think all AWD cars are compromises to performance. Stick with RWD and a properly balanced car.

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by sparkyg

bleh, old man Audi.

Comparing the S4 to the 335 is stupid too.

I am starting to think all AWD cars are compromises to performance. Stick with RWD and a properly balanced car.

Go drive a GTR or 911 turbo and reevaluate that statement.

[latebloomer]

Originally Posted by audiprotein

One of the articles says that it would be a bit cheaper than the previous v8 model, so i guess low 50's fully loaded.

I hope your right, I want the s-tronic for under 55k!

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by late_boomer

I hope your right, I want the s-tronic for under 55k!

no way is a fully loaded S4 gonna end up under 50k. no way. you can get one for under 55k, but it will definitely not be fully loaded.

[radix]

Originally Posted by sparkyg

bleh, old man Audi.

Comparing the S4 to the 335 is stupid too.

I am starting to think all AWD cars are compromises to performance. Stick with RWD and a properly balanced car.

Right, who'd want a GT-R? It's too much of a compromise.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by anmcguire

Right, who'd want a GT-R? It's too much of a compromise.

I think people should really consider the new S4. It has a great spec and it's had 2 reviews and BOTH of them have been good.

[footie]

Originally Posted by sparkyg

bleh, old man Audi.

Comparing the S4 to the 335 is stupid too.

I am starting to think all AWD cars are compromises to performance. Stick with RWD and a properly balanced car.

50/50 balance maybe a requirement when the car is only rwd but when it's awd, the system adjusts. Anyway, if a 265hp 1650kgs ordinary A4 is as quick as a 335i how do you see a 340hp one with adjustable dampers and sports diff as a compromise on performance.

It will be very efficient at put it's power to the ground, it will handle hard and hang on longer with little drama and it will be a doodle to drive in adverse conditions.

Sounds like the perfect compromise to me.