Used E92 M3: Won't allow PPI

[thkfast]

Yep. Totally normal business practice. Give them a down payment and sign purchase agreement pending successful PPI.

No sweat.

[monterey]

im on the side of the dealer. i think you guys give ppi way too much weight. Two people made me bring my car to a mechanic before he bought my car. what a joke it was.

[deansbimmer]

Originally Posted by monterey

im on the side of the dealer. i think you guys give ppi way too much weight. Two people made me bring my car to a mechanic before he bought my car. what a joke it was.

Absolutely agree. I think they're only useful for buyers with no automotive understanding or if they're not local and need eyes-on. The main issues with these cars (bearings/TA's) wouldn't be found during a PPI. Any layman can look over these cars and tell whether it's a good one or not. All that a PPI usually does is spot the things that are most likely minor, inexpensively repaired items anyway.

[TrAcK TRaP]

Originally Posted by Munichm3

Last time I was at a dealer, they gave me the keys and just said bring it back whenever you want

They did the same thing to me

[JackieChiles]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

Absolutely agree. I think they're only useful for buyers with no automotive understanding or if they're not local and need eyes-on. The main issues with these cars (bearings/TA's) wouldn't be found during a PPI. Any layman can look over these cars and tell whether it's a good one or not. All that a PPI usually does is spot the things that are most likely minor, inexpensively repaired items anyway.

I dont see it that way

You can

1) see if tabs have been removed or broken on bumpers etc, and help identify if bumpers have been replaced or repainted (IE accident)

2) inspect any leaks such as valve gasket leaks, PS leaks, DCT leaks, diff leaks etc.

3) inspect for rust under the car

4) run an OBD II scanner to see what hidden or recent codes the car has thrown and issues it has

Among many other things. PPI is very valuable, and cars ive sold ive had PPI done for the buyer, because i would want one too. They are very instructive and useful.

[deansbimmer]

Originally Posted by JackieChiles

I dont see it that way

You can

1) see if tabs have been removed or broken on bumpers etc, and help identify if bumpers have been replaced or repainted (IE accident)

2) inspect any leaks such as valve gasket leaks, PS leaks, DCT leaks, diff leaks etc.

3) inspect for rust under the car

4) run an OBD II scanner to see what hidden or recent codes the car has thrown and issues it has

Among many other things. PPI is very valuable, and cars ive sold ive had PPI done for the buyer, because i would want one too. They are very instructive and useful.

Then you don't seem to fit into one of my two classifications of the people that would find PPI's most useful to their purchase. That leads me to this inquiry: If you know to look for those things, you are obviously not unversed and have the knowledge needed to inspect the car yourself. So would you still pay to have a shop PPI a potential car if you're local to it? Or would you just check it out yourself?

As a seller, I too have provided PPI's for buyers. Although I feel that they are overvalued by the general public, they're still an often needed accessory to a sale.

[JackieChiles]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

Then you don't seem to fit into one of my two classifications of the people that would find PPI's most useful to their purchase. That leads me to this inquiry: If you know to look for those things, you are obviously not unversed and have the knowledge needed to inspect the car yourself. So would you still pay to have a shop PPI a potential car if you're local to it? Or would you just check it out yourself?

As a seller, I too have provided PPI's for buyers. Although I feel that they are overvalued by the general public, they're still an often needed accessory to a sale.

The vast majority of even remotely discerning e9x m3 buyers will buying a car that is not local these days due to low inventory of clean cars. Myself included.

And I would always want a ppi, especially if the car is not under warranty.

I don't have anywhere near the expertise and experience of a good shop nor do I own an obd II scanner or have the means to get the car on a lift and do a full inspection myself at a dealer.

A ppi is like 150 dollars. That's easy value for me. I've had one ppi come back sketchy that helped me avoid a car.

[RocketBoots]

A PPI can be dependent on the shop. If you have a good shop or tech you trust, it can be valuable. Although you may have some knowledge of these cars, the shop probably has more. And you need a OBDII scanner.

Also, if you place a deposit, and the PPI turns up something you don't like, there is a very big chance you're not getting your deposit back.

[DSilk]

Originally Posted by ham_sammich

Honestly to me it sounds like they want to either 1. hide something or 2. they know about the rod bearing problem, and don't want you using it against them. I'd walk away. The fact they say it's an issue with insurance is bull shit. Once the car is in the 3rd parties possession for the PPI, it's their insurance that's now covering the car in case of damage. SO they have no reason to prevent you from taking it somewhere unless they want to do one of the two reasons I mentioned above.

The dealer's position is understandable and legitimate. Yes, they do have insurance to cover damage that you might cause to the car, but any damage to the car (particularly from an accident) will diminish its value, insurance policies are likely to have a deductible that they can use your deposit to cover (if need be), and claims tend to increase premiums.

[Solo_M_Tech]

Originally Posted by DSilk

The dealer's position is understandable and legitimate. Yes, they do have insurance to cover damage that you might cause to the car, but any damage to the car (particularly from an accident) will diminish its value, insurance policies are likely to have a deductible that they can use your deposit to cover (if need be), and claims tend to increase premiums.

Then why allow test drives?

My point is the dealerships insurance isn't responsible for what happens at the 3rd party shop conducting the PPI. At that point said business is responsible for damages. Anything that happens going to and from the PPI is on the dealerships insurance, no different than a that drive.

[DSilk]

Originally Posted by ham_sammich

Then why allow test drives?

My point is the dealerships insurance isn't responsible for what happens at the 3rd party shop conducting the PPI. At that point said business is responsible for damages. Anything that happens going to and from the PPI is on the dealerships insurance, no different than a that drive.

Most dealerships have their own personnel in the car with you during test drives, and won't let you touch the steering wheel without a copy of your insurance and license. If you wreck one, rest assured that the dealership WILL sue you for its losses.

[xander_g]

https://www.farazautosalesltd.ca/use...028c9e400e.htm


This is the car btw


It's not, my apologies

[xwilkinx]

Originally Posted by xander_g

https://www.farazautosalesltd.ca/use...028c9e400e.htm


This is the car btw

That's actually not the car I'm looking at.

[JDM_CL9]

Originally Posted by xwilkinx

That's actually not the car I'm looking at.

Space Grey one at StreetXtreme?

[Ggeezer]

Originally Posted by JDM_CL9

Space Grey one at StreetXtreme?

FYI, that one was previously supercharged and was also involved in a front-end collision.

[xwilkinx]

Originally Posted by Ggeezer

FYI, that one was previously supercharged and was also involved in a front-end collision.

That's the one. I knew about the front end damage (it also has the euro-style bumper without reflectors). How did you know it was supercharged?

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by xwilkinx

That's the one. I knew about the front end damage (it also has the euro-style bumper without reflectors). How did you know it was supercharged?

Does this prior damage show up on the Carfax or did dealer volunteer the info? Are you paying a bit less for the car due to the prior accident compared to a non accident car?

[Ggeezer]

Originally Posted by xwilkinx

That's the one. I knew about the front end damage (it also has the euro-style bumper without reflectors). How did you know it was supercharged?

PMed you the info.

[xwilkinx]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

Does this prior damage show up on the Carfax or did dealer volunteer the info? Are you paying a bit less for the car due to the prior accident compared to a non accident car?

Yes, that front-end damage was reported in the CarProof (the collision was in 2013). I did use it to bring down the price.