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      08-04-2020, 09:56 PM   #1
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Smile E92 M3 F82 M4 or E92 335is

narrowed down to e92 m3 have continued saving for one will post once I find the perfect one for me!

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      08-04-2020, 10:31 PM   #2
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Also if you have any recommendations on mods or things I should make sure to do with the car lmk !
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Any consideration for an e36 M3? Could likely buy it outright, and apply extra saving to new interior (either OEM or buckets), suspension, brakes, etc. Plenty fast and the insurance will be more manageable. Or I'd find a MK4 GTI with a VR6!

But if it's truly limited to the options above I'd vote e92 m3.
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      08-04-2020, 11:22 PM   #4
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At 19, having the coolest car sounds super important. Later you'll realize that it didn't matter much at all. Having spare cash for other things at that age - nights out, dates, traveling, school, etc. - is 100x more important. Anybody that thinks you're cool because of the car won't be in your life in a few years.

If you must, get whichever is cheaper as a sum of purchase price in maintenance. I suspect it's the 335is. Don't blow your savings on a car. Seriously. There are so many other more important things in life at that age, cars will always be around. Set yourself up to have nicer things later.

DIYs and maintenance is nice to save money and learn a skill. Worry about mods after you get the car and enjoy it for some time in stock form. You'll realize what it's missing then. Everybody mods differently. Some prefer stiff coilovers, others loud exhausts, others more "OEM+." Modifying to suit your preference is the fun part.

At 19, we all think we're buying a car we'll keep forever. You wont. It'll be wrecked, you'll move on in X years, or life will change and you'll need something else. Don't go into it thinking it's the ONE. Going through cars at a young age is also part of the fun and experience.

Congrats on the opportunity to own something cool at 19.
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Heres my advice, take it or leave it:
Having a car note when you are ANY age is terrible. The bank owns your car, not you.
The lingering fact that you owe someone money is a terrible thing to have, and can be quite stressful. Now add in a pricey repair ($1200 for waterpump service with all needed parts and labor for a 335i. $2600 for rod bearings, or even $15k for a motor in an m3. Hell, even $1400 for a complete set of tires or brakes on either of those cars. You get the picture). Then factor in expensive insurance, especially the M3/M4, and next thing you know, the repo man is coming for your car, and you look like an idiot with no car.
My best advice i can give you is to BUY THE CAR YOU CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD. Just because you qualify for a $30k car note, doesnt mean you SHOULD. I have dozens of friends who bought way too much car, house, etc, and they are hurting right now.

I own my house, my cars, my "everything". I am 100% debt free, and it is the greatest feeling in the world. Especially right now when i am not working, and my wife just got done with 50% furlough for the past 3 months.

HOWEVER. I understand you are a 19yo with a shit ton of cash burning a hole in your pocket. Buy a 335 you can afford to pay cash for. Dont forget to check on your insurance rate, because that can be quite a shocker (insurance went to $550 a month for my M3 alone after i totaled my 335i). Dont forget to put back a hundred bucks a month or so for maintenance.
A 335 is a great starter car into the pains of owning a BMW, but is rather quick and a blast to drive.
I hope you find the car that makes you smile when your foot is down, and may you never have an unexpected repair bill!
Keep us updated with which route you go, and dont hesitate to PM me with any potential cars you may have your eye on. I owned a few auto shops for 8 years, and can tell you what to look out for!
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      08-05-2020, 12:54 AM   #6
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very different cars. do what you want.
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      08-05-2020, 01:42 AM   #7
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Just throwing out another option a e46 m3. I owned a 335i and now have a m3.. 335i is a maintenance nightmare and since its so easy to mod , once you start its hard to stop... M3 e46 or e92 will hold its value a lot better too, most of the depreciation is done on the e92 and it is certainly done on the e46 m3 if you get a solid one.. in fact they are rising here in Canada for good examples. the e46 is a really good car to get into the m3 Bmw family. they are not the cheapest to maintain but you shouldn't have to spend near 30k usd for one.. they are only 20k for a nice one in Canada.. 30k for a minted low miles manual.. anyhow I've owned a e46 m3 cabriolet 2005 stick.. and I loved it. my current e93 m3 DCT is better in some ways and not in others. wont get into it but definitely I would put a e46 M3 in the running.. definetly over a e92 335is... just my 2cents
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      08-05-2020, 01:47 AM   #8
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19 year old saved up 10k plan on purchasing a bmw soon been a fan since a small child. I'm a big fan of the e92 but I don't plan on getting the bmw till January/ February 2021 (tax return) so I can continue to save for an f8x(not fan of fart exhaust but f8xs definitely move)
I'm worried about me being young I don't want something that is to much for me to handle I'm a good driver have had expierience with n54 335 dads e36 318is and moms f10 535 and x5 35i(which to me we're fast). I'm worried about reliability, I'm not worried about cost I plan on doing work on either three of the cars as I'm pretty handy, but I don't want something that will have an issue every week. I would like to purchase one of these three under 50k miles 30k would be idea I plan on keeping whatever I get for a long time. I'm not a fan of the upcoming g80 m3 bmw has gotten away from the ultimate driving machine motto so this will prolly be my only bmw and I most likely won't be getting rid of it ever. Looking for some opinions from more experienced bmw owners since I am so young. I'm really excited to become apart of the bimmer community
Yeah man, $10k isn't going to cut it. Go for an E36 M3, paid in cash. Spend whatever excess money on learning how to work on it, coilovers, bushings, short shifter, and of course HPDE's / Auto X events to better improve your driving. Going from the cars you mentioned previously driving (318is, 535, X5) to an M3 is a decent leap.

I'm "around" the same age and pay $200/month in insurance ($1,200 for 6 months if paid up front), so that's another expense to factor in. Insurance for my E36 M3 was dirt cheap, almost half.

Like others have mentioned, you additionally have to look into rod bearings, TBAs, valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, etc. if you plan on going with the E92 M3.

Reliability of the car will of course depend on the specific example. A clapped out F80 M3 with a ton of miles will most likely be less reliable than a garage queen E92 M3 with all of the preventative maintenance done. All things being equal, I'd say F80 > 335is > E92 M3 when it comes to reliability — when you start to tune the F80 & 335is it becomes a different story.
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      08-05-2020, 02:49 AM   #9
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Agree 10 grand isnít enough I planned on saving another 10 by February and my tax return will be about 3-4 grand added to the other 10 I have Iíll have more buying power
My man I am only 22 and you being 19 I would tell you to not do what you want to do. Save up 15k go buy a 335i, not an IS. Call it a day, later on a few years, go buy an 335is or M3. Listen to the guys on the forum, trust me. Thereís a reason people are trying to tell you what to do.

FYI i owned 3 E46 M3ís already and thatís a hell of a car, would highly suggest you get one of those or a nice ZHP.
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      08-05-2020, 03:09 AM   #10
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I'll chime in based on what it sounds like. If you've only saved up $10k and want to buy any of these cars, don't. It doesn't sound like you really need a car either. Any car you can afford will be a money pit. If you can't afford to buy the car 3 times over don't buy it.

If it's a hobby then do maintenance on friends cars. If you really feel the need pickup a 335i that needs of work and bring it into shape then sell it.

Invest your money in a broad index tracking ETF like SPY. Drop this bad impulse, quit this forum, and call it a night. Come back 7-10 years later and you'd be wealthier and wiser.
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E36 M3 is borderline the right car to get, given that you can put $3k+ maintenance every year on dealing with every problem it throws at you. I would honestly start with Z3 5MT (preferrably M44 1.9 because they are cheap and easy to work on) if you don't need trunk space.

I met my partner not through parties/traveling/school but by hard work and devotion to the academics and racing hobby, so I wouldn't go on preaching that a 19 year old should do this or that. Follow your heart, but don't lose the sight of what is important in life.
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My man I am only 22 and you being 19 I would tell you to not do what you want to do. Save up 15k go buy a 335i, not an IS. Call it a day, later on a few years, go buy an 335is or M3. Listen to the guys on the forum, trust me. Thereís a reason people are trying to tell you what to do.

FYI i owned 3 E46 M3ís already and thatís a hell of a car, would highly suggest you get one of those or a nice ZHP.
E46s cost more to maintain than e9x no? I dont understand this advice.

I also dont agree with the people who say you should always pay cash. You should always be ABLE to pay cash but always doing it can be silly. On my M4 I had .9% APR and the cash I could have used to pay it off was making 10%+ in returns. I mean most car rates right now are 3-4%. Still not worth paying cash...
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I was thinking that and after looking online a good condition E46) is gonna run me 17-20k I might as well save some more and go with an e92. I wouldnít pay cash on any of these vehicles to build credit
Ill also say I think the E92 M3 is more reliable than the 335is. I have owned 4 e92s and the only issue I ever had was a warped DCT pan on one of them.

I think with bearings done they are solid as hell. Its why I'm in the market to buy my 5th as a daily driver.

I have owned an e46, e90,3x e92, f80, f82 m3s(m4) and I would personally rank overall them in this order. e90, e92, big gap e46, f80, f82. Just one man who hates the way an i6 sounds opinion.
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Insurance Will "Drive" Your Choice

Your biggest determining factor for what car to get will be insurance, no question. A male that is less then 21 years old has to be the highest insurance rates in the country regardless of address and car.

Once you factor in where you live and then the car, you could be looking at some crazy insurance rates. For an F80, you could easily be looking at $6000/year.

As a starting point, I would suggest getting VIN's for progressively newer cars E36 thru F80 and have your parents call your current auto insurance company and get quotes.

When I was in my 20's, I had to pay for my own insurance through my parents policy, and while I could afford a used M3, I could not afford M3 insurance until I turned 25 years old, and I also had a clean driving record.

One final note when I called around to different insurance companies, the quotes they gave me for an M3 ranged from $1500-3800/year. Exact same level of coverage for each company so I could compare apples to apples. So for some insurance companies a certain car will automatically trigger a higher rate, no matter what your age/gender/address.


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Yeah man, $10k isn't going to cut it.

I'm "around" the same age and pay $200/month in insurance ($1,200 for 6 months if paid up front), so that's another expense to factor in. Insurance for my E36 M3 was dirt cheap, almost half.
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More sensible choice would be older inline 6 N52 (non turbo) 128i or 328i sedan it coupe or 328 wagon But itís hard to be sensible at that age. Turbo and AWD cars and M cars will cost more to maintain and there are a lot of jobs that most 19 year olds wonít know enough to do, so they will be paying a shop. As for insurance, full insurance on an M or turbo BMW for a 19 year old male could be several thousand dollars a year or more. If you can get your parents to insure it under their name and lie by saying you are not the primary driver, it would be much cheaper for you to reimburse them their added cost.
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More sensible choice would be older inline 6 N52 (non turbo) 128i or 328i sedan it coupe or 328 wagon But itís hard to be sensible at that age. Turbo and AWD cars and M cars will cost more to maintain and there are a lot of jobs that most 19 year olds wonít know enough to do, so they will be paying a shop. As for insurance, full insurance on an M or turbo BMW for a 19 year old male could be several thousand dollars a year or more. If you can get your parents to insure it under their name and lie by saying you are not the primary driver, it would be much cheaper for you to reimburse them their added cost.
Gotta agree here. I have a beater 09 328 sedan and it has been a rock since Ive had it.
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I think the last model year with the N52 was around 2011 but am not certain. Last of the relatively simple cars.
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As a guy who was 100% there with you, there is some really good advice in this thread.

The maintenence on an M car will bankrupt you, even if you take out a loan, I made good money ($50/hr in ~2002) freelancing while I was in college and I drove a Sentra SE-R. It was fast enough that I'm surprised I didn't kill myself and reliable enough I didn't lose all my money.

Insurance like other people mentioned is no joke, are your parents willing to pay it for you? Because if not you need to take some random VIN numbers to different insurers to see what you'll pay. I had to pay $3000/yr when I was 19 on a $18k car under my own insurance.

If I wanted a BMW at that age I would seriously consider something with the base engine (128, 328, possibly even an F30).

The N54 cars are NOTORIOUSLY unreliable, and an F80 would cost you thousands every time you needed just basic tires and brakes. The cheaper cars will be much cheaper to keep on the road, and you can have plenty of fun with a modded 128 - the N52 straight 6 is super smooth and makes enough power to enjoy, but the 228i/230i/330 I F series car would actually probably be easier to find with lower mileage and less overall wear and tear.

Otherwise, I would honestly tell you to hold off on your dreams and accept something that is fun and practical and won't suck up any penny that you have. Plenty of good and cheaper to insure cars like a GTI, Civic SI, etc.

Otherwise you'll just end up pouring money into it and have nothing left at the other end. Like others have said at 19 it's great to have a car that's fun and you like, but there will always be some kid in the college parking lot who shows up with a brand new GTR and then you'll feel like you're trying to prove something.

I drove the shit out of that Sentra for 5 years and basically never had to put anything into it other than tires, brakes, oil and a battery.
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an n55 based 335 should be okay for maintained, better than n54 for reliability.
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an n55 based 335 should be okay for maintained, better than n54 for reliability.
Yes, one turbo is simpler than 2. But itís still way more plumbing than an N52 328i and itís still direct injection.
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Maybe you could look into M54 powered engines as well. Lots of torque and very good fun to drive. My M54B30 Z4 SMG was a rock solid car, rev blipped faster than E46 M3 most of the time as far as I can remember. Still miss the car from time to time..
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19 year old saved up 10k plan on purchasing a bmw soon been a fan since a small child. I'm a big fan of the e92 but I don't plan on getting the bmw till January/ February 2021 (tax return) so I can continue to save for an f8x(not fan of fart exhaust but f8xs definitely move)
I'm worried about me being young I don't want something that is to much for me to handle I'm a good driver have had expierience with n54 335 dads e36 318is and moms f10 535 and x5 35i(which to me we're fast). I'm worried about reliability, I'm not worried about cost I plan on doing work on either three of the cars as I'm pretty handy, but I don't want something that will have an issue every week. I would like to purchase one of these three under 50k miles 30k would be idea I plan on keeping whatever I get for a long time. I'm not a fan of the upcoming g80 m3 bmw has gotten away from the ultimate driving machine motto so this will prolly be my only bmw and I most likely won't be getting rid of it ever. Looking for some opinions from more experienced bmw owners since I am so young. I'm really excited to become apart of the bimmer community
One thing you need to realize is a lot of people that own this car are older, have money, and drive more than one car. Most of us can work on these cars on the side and still have a car that runs, or can afford to take it to a stealership or Indy shop to maintain it. An M3 is not something you pick up and cruise around campus to up your swag. I mean you could, but anyone with a brain knows that moment you take it in for maintenance or get a 🎄 dash board - they'll see what's up. You sound like you have what it takes to acquire wealth and work towards goals. Work on those attributes and refine them. They will get you much more than any of those 3 cars can ever get you. I learned the hard way when I was 20 in college and had no expenses. I bought the new Camaro SS when it came back in 2010. It didn't bankrupt me, but the money I spent on that car would have really been something I could have used and use today. I don't have that car anymore, the 2010 camaro doesn't have that pop anymore, and what was it even all for? I ended up selling the camaro after 4 years and got a 2006 350Z that was way cheaper to run and I loved that car WAY more than the SS. You live and you learn. I suppose the flip side of the coin is: I still ended up with my PhD, an M3, financial security, and the experience of driving a head turning car when I was young. So, wtf yolo lol, but remember seriously you only live once and it can go either way
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