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      11-18-2014, 06:18 AM   #1
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Oddly quite on the F8X boards...

...about the fact that neither Automobile nor Car and Driver anointed the new M3 or M4 as an "All star" or "10 Best."

After all the crap talking about the F8X is faster and has MOAR Power, and will DESTROY an E9X M3, etc., etc, etc.

I especially liked the retorts about how the E9X folks were just butthurt that their cars were slower, NOT the fact that we were bemoaning that the S65 motor and the previously stated high-revving, normally aspirated philosophy of the ///M Division was being abandoned.

Well, seems like the verdict is in. And, thankfully, there is another company, whom I never would have previously considered buying from, that is creating a hellaciously mean-sounding, flat plane cranked V-8, with "over 500HP", will apparently be high-rev, and a manual gearbox. Good job Ford.

Yeah, I know the interior quality won't be as nice, nor will it be as luxurious, etc., etc. That's precisely why I will keep the E92 M3.

P.S. Go over to the F8X thread for the reason on the "quite" in the Thread title instead of quiet. Specifically the, "used my seat heaters, and my ass blew up, or something like that."

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Ford hit it outta the park... 2016 Shelby. IMHO.

Can't justify another 2 seater in the fam....but this car has my interest.
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Ever since my first car (2000 Saleen S281) Ive aways had a special place for the mustang. The new one just won me over. I just hope they keep the protect in check. And lets not forget the performance scene for domestics are much more attainable... Cant wait, I would have the best of both worlds.
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...about the fact that neither Automobile nor Car and Driver anointed the new M3 or M4 as an "All star" or "10 Best."

After all the crap talking about the F8X is faster and has MOAR Power, and will DESTROY an E9X M3, etc., etc, etc.

I especially liked the retorts about how the E9X folks were just butthurt that their cars were slower, NOT the fact that we were bemoaning that the S65 motor and the previously stated high-revving, normally aspirated philosophy of the ///M Division was being abandoned.

Well, seems like the verdict is in. And, thankfully, there is another company, whom I never would have previously considered buying from, that is creating a hellaciously mean-sounding, flat plane cranked V-8, with "over 500HP", will apparently be high-rev, and a manual gearbox. Good job Ford.

Yeah, I know the interior quality won't be as nice, nor will it be as luxurious, etc., etc. That's precisely why I will keep the E92 M3.

P.S. Go over to the F8X thread for the reason on the "quite" in the Thread title instead of quiet. Specifically the, "used my seat heaters, and my ass blew up, or something like that."
Whatever makes you feel better I don't let magazines determine what I decide to spend my money in. The f8x is literally better in every category other than engine sound compared to the e9x. I'm glad you're keeping yours. It's a great car as well.
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better competition? m4 is not a slouch or boring car. wait until the after market has it for a year...
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...about the fact that neither Automobile nor Car and Driver anointed the new M3 or M4 as an "All star" or "10 Best."

After all the crap talking about the F8X is faster and has MOAR Power, and will DESTROY an E9X M3, etc., etc, etc.

I especially liked the retorts about how the E9X folks were just butthurt that their cars were slower, NOT the fact that we were bemoaning that the S65 motor and the previously stated high-revving, normally aspirated philosophy of the ///M Division was being abandoned.

Well, seems like the verdict is in. And, thankfully, there is another company, whom I never would have previously considered buying from, that is creating a hellaciously mean-sounding, flat plane cranked V-8, with "over 500HP", will apparently be high-rev, and a manual gearbox. Good job Ford.

Yeah, I know the interior quality won't be as nice, nor will it be as luxurious, etc., etc. That's precisely why I will keep the E92 M3.

P.S. Go over to the F8X thread for the reason on the "quite" in the Thread title instead of quiet. Specifically the, "used my seat heaters, and my ass blew up, or something like that."
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above guys are an m4 owner lurking in e92 forum that says a lot or some troll. Still has something to prove or is haunted by not have a real naturally aspirate m3 anymore .

The new m4/3 follows the new bmw philosophy of making a generic engine a 3.0 liter with exactly the same bore and stroke and put it in 13 bmw models exactly ( all x35i, z4, x3, x5, etc).. and including the m4/m3. then put a custom turbo in there which hardly qualifies as a unique engine at all. It's a marketing coup.

The S65 V8 is a bespoke bmw engine (other than the m5 s85). no other car - and certainly NO non M car - has that engine block.

bmw is smart and putting cheap engines in the m4, asking same price and netting the difference.

the e92 superiority to the m4/3 in not just the engine. Hydraulic steering. Check Jeremy clarkson article about how the m4/3 eletrical steering absolutely sucks.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/jeremy-cla...-m3-2014-11-13

Then there is the ugly overwrought too busy front facia. the E92 looks like a classic.

The m4/m3 is a failure. All serious torque heavy cars (turbo) have 4WD (GT-R, porsche T) and at least 3.6 L. only a bastard car would have an ecoboost tiny 3.0 liter without 4WD an electric steering, an ugly look and horrendous sound. But wait.. it has a playstation 3 sound controler in the cabin.

Finally it's cheap (but not the price). There is and will be ton of cheap 6 cylinder turbos like the m4/3 from kia, infinity, nissan. While the 8400RPM NA V8 will remain an sought after exclussivity.

"It was The Stig who first identified the problem. "The new BMW M3 is s**t,"
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above guys are an m4 owner lurking in e92 forum that says a lot or some troll. Still has something to prove or is haunted by not have a real naturally aspirate m3 anymore .

The new m4/3 follows the new bmw philosophy of making a generic engine a 3.0 liter with exactly the same bore and stroke and put it in 13 bmw models exactly ( all x35i, z4, x3, x5, etc).. and including the m4/m3. then put a custom turbo in there which hardly qualifies as a unique engine at all. It's a marketing coup.

The S65 V8 is a bespoke bmw engine (other than the m5 s85). no other car - and certainly NO non M car - has that engine block.

bmw is smart and putting cheap engines in the m4, asking same price and netting the difference.

the e92 superiority to the m4/3 in not just the engine. Hydraulic steering. Check Jeremy clarkson article abotu how the m4/3 eletrical steering absolutely sucks.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/jeremy-cla...-m3-2014-11-13

It's ugly too busy front facia. the E92 looks like a classic.

The m4/m3 is a failure. All serious torque heavy cars (turbo) have 4WD. only a bastard car would have an ecoboost tiny 3.0 liter without 4FWD an electric steering, an ugly look and horrendous sound. But wait.. it has a playstation 3 sound controler in the cabin.

Finally it's cheap. There is and will be ton of cheap 6 cylinder turbos like the m4/3 from kia, infinity, nissan. While the 8400RPM NA V8 will remain an sought after exclussivity.

"It was The Stig who first identified the problem. "The new BMW M3 is s**t,"


Only on this forum do people complain about too much power and not having AWD.

What did you grow up driving? I never had cars with traction control and they were all much more powerful than the e9x m3. My z06 was fun as shit to drive without TC on. My buddies car makes @ 600 HP at the wheels and hooks up fine being RWD.
Saying the F8x is a failure? C'mon the car is brand new and they are selling so..
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above guys are an m4 owner lurking in e92 forum that says a lot or some troll. Still has something to prove or is haunted by not have a real naturally aspirate m3 anymore .

The new m4/3 follows the new bmw philosophy of making a generic engine a 3.0 liter with exactly the same bore and stroke and put it in 13 bmw models exactly ( all x35i, z4, x3, x5, etc).. and including the m4/m3. then put a custom turbo in there which hardly qualifies as a unique engine at all. It's a marketing coup.

The S65 V8 is a bespoke bmw engine (other than the m5 s85). no other car - and certainly NO non M car - has that engine block.

bmw is smart and putting cheap engines in the m4, asking same price and netting the difference.

the e92 superiority to the m4/3 in not just the engine. Hydraulic steering. Check Jeremy clarkson article about how the m4/3 eletrical steering absolutely sucks.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/jeremy-cla...-m3-2014-11-13" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.topgear.c...2014-11-13</a>

Then there is the ugly overwrought too busy front facia. the E92 looks like a classic.

The m4/m3 is a failure. All serious torque heavy cars (turbo) have 4WD (GT-R, porsche T) and at least 3.6 L. only a bastard car would have an ecoboost tiny 3.0 liter without 4WD an electric steering, an ugly look and horrendous sound. But wait.. it has a playstation 3 sound controler in the cabin.

Finally it's cheap (but not the price). There is and will be ton of cheap 6 cylinder turbos like the m4/3 from kia, infinity, nissan. While the 8400RPM NA V8 will remain an sought after exclussivity.

"It was The Stig who first identified the problem. "The new BMW M3 is s**t,"
I'm a lurker? How about a Bmw owner (who also had the last 2 generations of m3) that enjoys contributing to all of the forums. Nice try though you're biased, and way off base, and your tone of writing screams that you have inferiority complex and you rely on the media to inform you. Let's not forget the change from the e46 to the e92. I'm glad you like your e92. Feel free to come out to the track or the strip anytime against my shitty M4 and get smacked. That is all.

Oh and EDIT: check out the video of my car at the latest airstrip event in the versus section and the ones I'll be posting soon. Let me know about how lame my 3.0 Kia engine is doing.
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above guys are an m4 owner lurking in e92 forum that says a lot or some troll. Still has something to prove or is haunted by not have a real naturally aspirate m3 anymore .

The new m4/3 follows the new bmw philosophy of making a generic engine a 3.0 liter with exactly the same bore and stroke and put it in 13 bmw models exactly ( all x35i, z4, x3, x5, etc).. and including the m4/m3. then put a custom turbo in there which hardly qualifies as a unique engine at all. It's a marketing coup.

The S65 V8 is a bespoke bmw engine (other than the m5 s85). no other car - and certainly NO non M car - has that engine block.

bmw is smart and putting cheap engines in the m4, asking same price and netting the difference.

the e92 superiority to the m4/3 in not just the engine. Hydraulic steering. Check Jeremy clarkson article abotu how the m4/3 eletrical steering absolutely sucks.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/jeremy-cla...-m3-2014-11-13

It's ugly too busy front facia. the E92 looks like a classic.

The m4/m3 is a failure. All serious torque heavy cars (turbo) have 4WD. only a bastard car would have an ecoboost tiny 3.0 liter without 4FWD an electric steering, an ugly look and horrendous sound. But wait.. it has a playstation 3 sound controler in the cabin.

Finally it's cheap. There is and will be ton of cheap 6 cylinder turbos like the m4/3 from kia, infinity, nissan. While the 8400RPM NA V8 will remain an sought after exclussivity.

"It was The Stig who first identified the problem. "The new BMW M3 is s**t,"


Only on this forum do people complain about too much power and not having AWD.

What did you grow up driving? I never had cars with traction control and they were all much more powerful than the e9x m3. My z06 was fun as shit to drive without TC on. My buddies car makes @ 600 HP at the wheels and hooks up fine being RWD.
Saying the F8x is a failure? C'mon the car is brand new and they are selling so..
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was the 3- 4-series non-M3 on the 10 Best?

In the past the E92/90/93 was on 10 Best, and they lumped the M3 into the broader 3-series model.
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i would buy a M4 if it had a more appealing engine. Even if the GT350 was faster. I would rather buy a German car. BMW is making very unappealing engines with all there next gen cars.

To me these F80 guys just dont "get it". They act like because the F80 offers more power, and more torque thats all that matters.

a GT350 with high revving V8 over 500HP, then drive a 3.0L trubo report back on which is more fun and sounds better.
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i would buy a M4 if it had a more appealing engine. Even if the GT350 was faster. I would rather buy a German car. BMW is making very unappealing engines with all there next gen cars.

To me these F80 guys just dont "get it". They act like because the F80 offers more power, and more torque thats all that matters.

a GT350 with high revving V8 over 500HP, then drive a 3.0L trubo report back on which is more fun and sounds better.
Yes, but where were you before the e9x?

It seems everyone here justs wants to bash the new M3 for having a diff engine, but IMO an inline 6 is more BMW than a high revving v8.
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Yes, but where were you before the e9x?

It seems everyone here justs wants to bash the new M3 for having a diff engine, but IMO an inline 6 is more BMW than a high revving v8.
An inline 6 is more BMW than a high revving V8, but a high revving naturally aspirated motor is more M than a forced induction engine.
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was the 3- 4-series non-M3 on the 10 Best?

In the past the E92/90/93 was on 10 Best, and they lumped the M3 into the broader 3-series model.
This is accurate. I assume they will add the M3 this year.
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I fall in the group of people who have a E92 and pounder about a F8X. I leased my Lime Rock Edition with BMW Freeport NY. I have a deal/program option that will allow me in the future; some time soon to move me from my 82K car to another 82K car with the same lease deal and agreements as my E92 lease.

BUT and there is only one BUT; my E92 V8 S65 with the power steering.
I really can't get over this car with the equipment it has. Mind i have a fully loaded non DCT car and it feels so true and raw like my old 996 S did. I had/have the opportunity in my life time to drive many cars as my family is fortunate enough to afford these types of cars. I driven a Gallardo, 996, 997, 993, C63 Coupe, Cayenne Turbo (3) now on a GTS 14" plus a 458 Italia and other cars like my E46 330 and a 3000GT. I can tell you all that the M3 felt like a mini super car in the engine feel department and how it revs to 8,300 like my Gallardo and Italia (well 9k but you get the point). I feel that the new M4 will be a combination of a Porsche panno (Electric steering and V6) plus a feel of a C63 AMG (Power wise). If that's the case in which i think it is; since i got a ride in one, it's not the car for me. Mind i sold my Porsche Panno in less then 3 Months and my C63 Lasted 4 months since SANDY took her away. BUT again i had another opportunity to get another C63 Coupe but i got my M3 V8 instead because it feels like a super car and the looks to me is timeless. SO yeah i have this opportunity to "Upgrade" like a new telephone but I'm choosing not to and i'd rather keep my E92. PLUS i agree with all the people here on how the EPA kicked in and now all you see is turbo this or that. sometimes people don't want turbo because as Clarkson said on Topgear "Turbo charging is for the weak"!
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The New M3/4 do nothing for me emotionally,I buy sports cars for the way they make me feel and the satisfaction I get from the power plant.High revs and sound is what kept me buying M3's since 2003.I'm sure the chassis is great and grip levels are world class but to me the F8x series is no longer the complete package as a motorsport rooted car,because it laks the bespoke NA engines they used to come with.If I wanted a turbo car I would buy a GTR,not an M4.Imagine if Porsche all of a sudden decided to put turbos on their gt3 and tried to sell their inthusiasts this new engine concept,lol sorry I'm not buying this new turbo M philosophy and going back to Porsche for a fun car.
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As a present E92 M3 and 2014' M6 ownerI'm quite disappointed in BMW not using the 4.4L S65 which they already had. It confirms BMW wanted to use the same engine across the board and say they did it to save fuel. I smell B.S.

The 4.4L twin turbo in my M6 is a monster but I still get a bigger smile roaring to redline in the S65 M3.

The GT 350 may be in the line up for me in the future. I look forward to the M2 but if it cost the same or more than the GT 350 I'd have to that direction. 500 Hp, 8k rpm, and I'm sure a massive aftermarket to follow. Congratulations Ford!!
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Got the new Rodent Track in the mail today. What they said about the new F8x M3 in the Performance Car of the Year article:

"If, as some pundits charge, the M3's become a German answer to the Pontiac Trans Am, this is surely Munich's take on the rip-snorting, 400-cube, screaming-chicken variant used by the Bandit almost 40 years ago. It's a muscle car par excellence, warping the trees around its head-up display with what feels like an unlimited reserve of force.

But is it too quick? Senior Editor Jason Cammisa thinks so. "This car is nauseatingly fast. It's also unacceptably traction-compromised. Reducing torque output by 150 lb-ft would do wonders here." He might be right. This car requires rheostat-precise use of the throttle to avoid unpredictable yaw. Or you can just leave the BMW's electronic nannies on, which might be smarter. Two or three generations ago, the M3 gave up on the idea of being the perfect modern 2002tii and decided instead to focus on power and track pace. If that's what you want, it's all here.

The M3 is the only car to actually scare me at the Motown Mile. Going around the fast final turn, the torque spikes and sends me into a long, lazy, 100-mph slide that I don't recover until well down the front straight. Forget this being a German Trans Am; it's a German Corvette. "This car is nightmarish to control under power," concurs Cammisa. "It's so much work, and there's no joy to be had as a result." Having driven the M3 before, on a larger track, I suggest that it needs a bigger venue to shine."

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there is some real jealousy in these posts. the new M cars are still M cars, they are very capable machines and each generation gets more and more refined. i wonder how nasty the e46 guys were to the e92 guys when that car came out. a high revving engine is nice, it really is but if we're all honest, it's really surprising that the s65 (or its big bro) even made it into production in the first place. why not count ourselves lucky for the engine (among many other things) and congratulate new owners on a car that has better torque, faster 0-60, lighter body, appealing looks (in my opinion there isn't one bad line on the f8Xs) and a continuation of the storied motorsport division? i for one am happy with my e92 and will not be making the shift into the f8x until perhaps the LCI.

and for those who like that new mustang, congrats. i never liked ford as much as chevy and will bet dollars to donuts the big dog c7 will crush anything that comes out of dearborn.
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OP - you sound like a defensive butt hurt e9x owner as you described in your original post.

A few of my friends have picked up F80's and they are very nice cars. These are all guys who owned e46 and e9x's prior. The f8x beats the e9x in every aspect on paper. More power/tq, mpg, track times, weight, brakes, etc. etc. etc. but what they lack to me personally is emotion. I own two s65 powered cars and love the powerplant and platform tremendously but despite my affections it, I will not be blind to the potential of the new. Me not being interested in one is subjective, my friends that were interested who did purchase them really do enjoy the car.
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