why doesn't my M3 have "that" look?

shimmy23 · 07-22-2018, 07:08 PM

swift springs and 15/12 spacers will do the trick. /thread

McSwine · 07-22-2018, 08:01 PM

Because it's not a 2 door?

:ducking and running:

94jedi · 07-22-2018, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vitalsigns

As others have said, springs and spacers and you're there. I ran Swift springs with 15f/10r spacers and definitely had the "bulldog" look, especially with the meaty tires on the 219s. I've now moved to M359s, but I definitely loved the look of the 219s with the above mods.

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Originally Posted by shimmy23

swift springs and 15/12 spacers will do the trick. /thread

So how did your cars ride w/ the swift springs? I've been doing a lot of research and reading and don't want to compromise ride quality too much. I've heard horror stories of poor ride with springs that were too aggressive. I've also heard of the e36 bump stop trick but not sure I want to go that route. Ideally, it would be an improvement in looks (lower) AND in performance (slightly firmer springs).

I've come down to two paths - either the full ZCP suspension setup (no 359's though) or Swift springs. I know this has been debated to death but I'm still not sure which one is the best option.

carenthuziast · 07-22-2018, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EricSMG

Lol. Everyone knows that the saloon is more bulldog-ish. The coupes never have that look - they are sporty and sleek while the sedan is squat and blocky. Neither is better, but, your opinion is incorrect.

Nah. Your opinion is incorrect as usual.

shimmy23 · 07-22-2018, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 94jedi

So how did your cars ride w/ the swift springs?

the swifts have been the best spring/OEM shock setup i've ran so far. I didn't do the e36 bumpstops and never bottomed out either. the ride was pleasant, yet stiff enough (linear springs) that it made daily driving my e90 still a joy

Law · 07-22-2018, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by carenthuziast

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Originally Posted by EricSMG

Lol. Everyone knows that the saloon is more bulldog-ish. The coupes never have that look - they are sporty and sleek while the sedan is squat and blocky. Neither is better, but, your opinion is incorrect.

Nah. Your opinion is incorrect as usual.

The fact is, you play the sporty/performance card, but the E93 is a two-ton boat with compromised rigidity.

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Originally Posted by carenthuziast

Well. The saloon is built for rear car seats. Go sporty that!

And yes, thanks for reaffirming that the e93 is for cruising. Mine will never see the track as will probably most oversportified e90/e92's.

Yeah cruising down SoBe and Rodeo Drive is really sporty driving.
And why not have a car seat in the back?
A good daily that doubles as a performance car is win-win. That's what made the M3 so great over the years.
You don't even need a track to feel the lack of rigidity and extra curb weight of the E93, which is near 7-series levels.

Look, i'm sure the M3 vert serves its purpose as a cruiser to show off to your friends and listen to the exhaust note or what not.
But if you're trying to play the "sporty" or performance card, it's not even close.

vitalsigns · 07-22-2018, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 94jedi

So how did your cars ride w/ the swift springs?

The car ran (and still runs) great with the Swift springs. No complaints other than perhaps the back end runs slightly too low with the M359s, slightly covering the top of the rear tires. Drop is 1.0" front, 0.7" rear.

kyrix1st · 07-22-2018, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Law

The fact is, you play the sporty/performance card, but the E93 is a two-ton boat with compromised rigidity.

Yeah cruising down SoBe and Rodeo Drive is really sporty driving.
And why not have a car seat in the back?
A good daily that doubles as a performance car is win-win. That's what made the M3 so great over the years.
You don't even need a track to feel the lack of rigidity and extra curb weight of the E93, which is near 7-series levels.

Look, i'm sure the M3 vert serves its purpose as a cruiser to show off to your friends and listen to the exhaust note or what not.
But if you're trying to play the "sporty" or performance card, it's not even close.

To be fair to fashion M3 owners, E93 looks the best 4-seater convertible. Much better than Fxx generation anyway.

Law · 07-22-2018, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Quote:

Originally Posted by Law

The fact is, you play the sporty/performance card, but the E93 is a two-ton boat with compromised rigidity.

Yeah cruising down SoBe and Rodeo Drive is really sporty driving.
And why not have a car seat in the back?
A good daily that doubles as a performance car is win-win. That's what made the M3 so great over the years.
You don't even need a track to feel the lack of rigidity and extra curb weight of the E93, which is near 7-series levels.

Look, i'm sure the M3 vert serves its purpose as a cruiser to show off to your friends and listen to the exhaust note or what not.
But if you're trying to play the "sporty" or performance card, it's not even close.

To be fair to fashion M3 owners, E93 looks the best 4-seater convertible. Much better than Fxx generation anyway.

For what it's built for, it serves it's purpose much better than the F83.
I'd much rather listen to the S65 top down than the S55.

M.Power · 07-23-2018, 12:52 AM

Drop, wheels, and a front lip/rear diffuser will do the job.

xander_g · 07-23-2018, 11:59 AM

tint the windows, gloss black grilles, 19s. if not satisfied, add springs

New2Roundel · 07-23-2018, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 94jedi

I've come down to two paths - either the full ZCP suspension setup (no 359's though) or Swift springs. I know this has been debated to death but I'm still not sure which one is the best option.

Why spend all the money on a full ZCP suspension? It sounds like the primary goal here is looks vs performance. I would simply go with springs and possibly spacers. After that, see where you net out. I don't think spoilers, wings, etc are always necessary, but in some cases that can help. The more aggressive one tends to be with a drop and wheel fitment, the better these cars look with an aggressive front/rear spoiler. My personal approach is to do a little at a time and then see where you are vs how much more you need to be happy.

I have a ZCP car and I'm still on the fence about adding something to the front bumper to make the car a bit more aggressive. But I don't have an interest in making the car any lower and I love the style of the ZCP wheels, so I likely won't change them. Though I have been strongly considering powder coating them next time I need a full set of tires, as the finish on them is falling apart.

IB M · 07-23-2018, 12:30 PM

Returning to factory yellow reflectors will give a more aggressive stance.

EJT86 · 07-23-2018, 12:34 PM

Stance it, put it on bags and get a gigantic rear wing FTW

Also add about 10-14 window decals

Webb70 · 07-23-2018, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shimmy23

swift springs and 15/12 spacers will do the trick. /thread

Perfect !

94jedi · 07-23-2018, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by New2Roundel

Why spend all the money on a full ZCP suspension? It sounds like the primary goal here is looks vs performance. I would simply go with springs and possibly spacers. After that, see where you net out. I don't think spoilers, wings, etc are always necessary, but in some cases that can help. The more aggressive one tends to be with a drop and wheel fitment, the better these cars look with an aggressive front/rear spoiler. My personal approach is to do a little at a time and then see where you are vs how much more you need to be happy.

I have a ZCP car and I'm still on the fence about adding something to the front bumper to make the car a bit more aggressive. But I don't have an interest in making the car any lower and I love the style of the ZCP wheels, so I likely won't change them. Though I have been strongly considering powder coating them next time I need a full set of tires, as the finish on them is falling apart.

Performance is paramount to me. I'd "like" for slight increase in aesthetics as well, which is why I'm on the fence and so indecisive about this. I'm looking at the ZCP suspension as I think that might be the perfect compromise; an increase in performance and a modest drop to improve looks. For me, the 359m's are the best wheel (outside of BBS LM's) for this platform.

I'm not sure that the swift springs alone will give me the performance improvement that I'm looking for, plus replacing the dampers w/ newer units. Spacers on the 219m's are a must I've already decided that. Swift Springs will certainly be cheaper, but I'm thinking the ZCP suspension will be better in the long run. Worst case, I'll do swift springs paired w/ ZCP dampers (and recoding of my EDC).

Montaver · 07-23-2018, 01:43 PM

You could put larger tires on (255/40/18, 275/40/18) which would fill the wells more, without the need for altering the suspension. I cant remember which poster here runs this setup on his E90 but take a look through the wheels and tyres section. Also spacers as others have suggested.

Just changing springs will be detrimental to the handling. If I was doing springs I would only consider DINAN Stage 1 as they will give you the drop with no travel trade off and spring rates matched to the dampers. Consider if the small cosmetic trade off is worth the decreased practicality of a lower ride height.

6ixSpd · 07-23-2018, 03:49 PM

This forum is going the way of E90Post...

eatsleepboost · 07-23-2018, 04:14 PM

I have a similar setup to those suggestions out there. Factory ZCP suspension and wheels but I went with 275/295 ps4s. No spacers. Absolutely no rub and the tires really fill out the gap left my ZCP suspension. I can fit 1 finger above the rear tire between the fender and the front 2 fingers. The front could be slightly lower but not enough for me to begin changing the suspension. I recently added a front lip and love the overall look. I will try and get a picture and add it for you.

Yvette · 07-23-2018, 04:29 PM

I love stock looking m3. It has a classic look.

94jedi · 07-23-2018, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

This forum is going the way of E90Post...

Nah, I don't think so. We're still very much go vs show here. Just want to increase the show factor a tad, but not at the expense of the "go" factor (I've already upped that quite a bit).

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Originally Posted by Yvette

I love stock looking m3. It has a classic look.

I do too. Personally, the 2011 ZCP E90 is pretty much the holy grail. Maybe with a few limerock or CRT bits but outside of that The e90 ZCP bone stock is close to perfect. Again, which is why I'm leaning towards the ZCP suspension + spacers.

spazzyfry123 · 07-23-2018, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 94jedi

I do too. Personally, the 2011 ZCP E90 is pretty much the holy grail. Maybe with a few limerock or CRT bits but outside of that The e90 ZCP bone stock is close to perfect. Again, which is why I'm leaning towards the ZCP suspension + spacers.

Do eet...

Especially if you're due for new struts/shocks. I know a guy...

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