M3 CS Vs. RS4 in Feb. issue of EVO

rag21 · 02-02-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ward

also, you should learn how to spell retarded, it makes you look retarded when you spell it retarted, unless you're talking about him getting a tart again.

how would you get a "tart"

E90-4life · 02-02-2006, 01:08 PM

RS4 is still a nose heavy-porked out-drugged up VW Jetta on crazy steriods.... they can keep it. Give me my E90 M3.

ward · 02-02-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rag21

how would you get a "tart"

it's easy just go to your local bakery and buy one for the guy!

then go back later and buy him another one

now he'd be retarted!

noflash · 02-02-2006, 01:54 PM

I'd hate to be sconed.

ON325i · 02-03-2006, 01:58 AM

and we witness how a car thread's evolution into a bakery thread...

Dante · 02-03-2006, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LIKEWATER

This may shed some light.

There's the evidence we needed.

S4 , not RS4!

kidd0223 · 02-03-2006, 03:06 AM

RS4

LIKEWATER · 02-03-2006, 10:27 AM

"Evo magazine has posted a three-way comparison of the Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG, the Audi RS4 and BMW M3 CS. In the end, reviewer Jethro Bovingdon comes close to picking the RS4, but ends up crowning the M3 the winner. Bovingdon writes: "No surprises then. It comes down to RS4 and M3 CS. After ten minutes behind the wheel the RS4 was my winner. It's got the looks, the interior, the edge on performance. Forty-eight hours later, the deft balance, awesome adjustability and sheer exuberance of the M3 CS seemed insurmountable. It gives you so many options, and I don't just mean you can oversteer it all day long (which you can). It has incredible balance, and it's so responsive to your inputs that you feel intimately involved through every part of every corner. For you and me, that's what really counts. The M3 is still the all-conquering action hero. Did I mention there's a new one later this year?" Recently, Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear said he thought the RS4 was better than the M3. "

firewired · 02-03-2006, 12:31 PM

That is the old S4 in that 2003 car review. New version of the S4 (B7) is is a naturally aspirated V8, and it's 4 wheel drive system is set up with a 60:40 bias to the rear.

matze328 · 02-04-2006, 10:56 PM

Can someone scan the article ofe the evo magazine and post it here?

firewired · 02-04-2006, 11:04 PM

Here is a direct link to the entire article:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/evo/roa...wer_shift.html

voltron1011 · 02-05-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by firewired

That is the old S4 in that 2003 car review. New version of the S4 (B7) is is a naturally aspirated V8, and it's 4 wheel drive system is set up with a 60:40 bias to the rear.

The S4 in that picture is a B6 with the 4.2 liter 40-valve NA V8.

firewired · 02-05-2006, 10:28 PM

Good pickup, but I don't think they started the rear bias until the current model year.

voltron1011 · 02-05-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by firewired

Good pickup, but I don't think they started the rear bias until the current model year.

I believe Jeremy Clarkson mentioning that:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=top+gear+rs4

SauberDesign · 02-06-2006, 02:57 AM

AWD is very poor for weight distribution with a large V8.
The whole engine sits in front of the axel not good.

Subaru can get away with it due do the boxer engine being mounted low and is only half as long as the Audi V8

beckham23 · 02-06-2006, 04:54 AM

They are both amazing rides...why worry if one car "owns" the other...just enjoy whatever you have!! I'm sure RS4 is sweet...and everyone knows that even if the RS4 "owns" the e46M3, e90M3 will "own" this RS4...then the next RS4 will again "own" the e90M3...FYI, cars like anything else, is a neverending story, try to appreciate your ride.

Forget those IS350 vs. 330i or M3 vs. xxx topic...

///M3John · 02-10-2006, 01:46 PM

well said beckham23...people should just focus on their own rides and not bash other vehicles. I currently own an A4 which is slower than SOME civics and hyundai but I love the quattro feel. However, I'm leaving for audi and going back to BMW...

Audi/Bmw's both have their pro's and con's.

KL2DC · 02-10-2006, 03:13 PM

Its true E46 M3CS has more balance and tactility/agility, I believe a recent issue of Speed (R&T) rated it the most driftable production car (again testament to the car's balance)...but the RS4 is a departure from old S-line Audis...for starters the quattro is now rear-biased (think evo/skyline) and I believe they gave the steering more feel (previous Audi stuff were criticized for wooden steering). The same changes have worked their way into the upcoming V10 Gallardo powered S8.

DTM · 02-10-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by E90-4life

RS4 is still a nose heavy-porked out-drugged up VW Jetta on crazy steriods.... they can keep it. Give me my E90 M3.

Tis actually the old Passat on steroids.

Xens · 02-11-2006, 05:30 PM

Kudos to Audi for making such a great car, though expensive as hell.

tinster · 02-11-2006, 08:01 PM

I agree beckham23, I currently own e90 325i and still have my B5 s4 and enjoy both cars for different reasons.

firewired · 02-11-2006, 08:05 PM

For me it is a really hard choice to choose one over the other.

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SauberDesign New Member 0 Rep 12 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	AWD is very poor for weight distribution with a large V8. The whole engine sits in front of the axel not good. Subaru can get away with it due do the boxer engine being mounted low and is only half as long as the Audi V8
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///M3John New Member 0 Rep 29 Posts Drives: 2004 Audi A4 Ultra Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Vienna, VA iTrader: (0)	well said beckham23...people should just focus on their own rides and not bash other vehicles. I currently own an A4 which is slower than SOME civics and hyundai but I love the quattro feel. However, I'm leaving for audi and going back to BMW... Audi/Bmw's both have their pro's and con's.
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