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      05-24-2016, 05:17 PM   #45
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Wow what shitty mechanics!

The paint peeling off is actually fairly common in these engines, as I have seen quite a few s65 engines with the paint deteriorating... I think its just age and oil exposure that corrodes it over time... Not sure about the chemical compound of it... Not really sure If it would be worth the trouble to recoat the inside, as removing every micro drop of oil residue from the cover is going to be a real bitch! Maybe easier to just buy new covers already painted and coated...
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Visible copper, particulate streaks, and parting line wear. Good catch. Lot of wear on the lowers compared to most I've seen.
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Hey guys,

So yesterday I took off the valve cover to see what was going on there. The only thing that I noticed are these springs on the front of the gears. One of them is totally free, and the other one is almost out of position also. Looking on the BMW worshop I see that these springs had a black cover on them, but mine doesn't. Maybe I found the reason for the noise because it seemed to come from the front of the engine. Anyone know what these springs are for and how do I attatch them?
They are difficult to reattach but possible. The caps are not sold by themselves, the only way to source them is buy purchasing a used VANOS adjuster and popping the cap off carefully. The springs hold preload on the adjusters. Without them the assembly will rattle and may cause VANOS codes for slow adjustments.

Also, you can clearly see one of the screws that holds the VANOS adjuster together is backing out (under the spring).
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      06-15-2016, 01:59 PM   #49
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Im glad to see everyone keeping up on these, in the past we've seen so many nightmares from rod bearings going

now its one of the most common services we do
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If anyone is interested in getting this done by us we are running a special

I dont want to Hijack the thread so please pm me for any details if interested
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Just got my bearings changed at 96000km. / 60000 miles. I have just had my M3 for few weeks and this was the first thing to do. I really didn't see the point of doing oil analysis at this mileage because all in all it isn't that expensive to change the bearings. The guy who changed my bearings is making his living by changing rod bearings to S65 and to S85 motors. He also showed me bearings that had been changed at 35000 miles and they were in really bad shape. My bearings were in quite good condition for 60000 miles.

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Just got my bearings changed at 96000km. / 60000 miles. I have just had my M3 for few weeks and this was the first thing to do. I really didn't see the point of doing oil analysis at this mileage because all in all it isn't that expensive to change the bearings. The guy who changed my bearings is making his living by changing rod bearings to S65 and to S85 motors. He also showed me bearings that had been changed at 35000 miles and they were in really bad shape. My bearings were in quite good condition for 60000 miles.

With what kind/type of bearings they were replaced in Finland ?

Thanks for sharing
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      06-20-2016, 12:50 PM   #52
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With what kind/type of bearings they were replaced in Finland ?

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They were replaced with new original bearings. I asked the mechanic that has bmw updated the bearings in some point and he said yes and the updated ones should have some kind of new coating. Do you or someone else have fact about that?

M3 is my second car and it sits most of the time in my garage so it doesn't get more than about 5000-8000km per year so the new bearings are good for me quite many years from now on
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They were replaced with new original bearings. I asked the mechanic that has bmw updated the bearings in some point and he said yes and the updated ones should have some kind of new coating. Do you or someone else have fact about that?

M3 is my second car and it sits most of the time in my garage so it doesn't get more than about 5000-8000km per year so the new bearings are good for me quite many years from now on
No the new bearings do not have any coating. They have the exact same issue. Just made from different materials to meet Environmental requirements.
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They were replaced with new original bearings. I asked the mechanic that has bmw updated the bearings in some point and he said yes and the updated ones should have some kind of new coating. Do you or someone else have fact about that?

M3 is my second car and it sits most of the time in my garage so it doesn't get more than about 5000-8000km per year so the new bearings are good for me quite many years from now on
Same thing here with my car it's not my DD , and it hangs on my CTEK battery charger over the weekends .
I only drive it only in summer , and store it in winter in my garage to avoid roadsalt .
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As for you bearings ,
Your mechanic probably means the aluminum bearings , BMW had to do it for the Euro-Environmental requirements because lead was forbitten in Europe .
And actually they are the same , because sadly we see them fail as well with high and low miles/km's on it => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=786615
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The biggest disappointment for me personal of the last two years was to see last week that they are failing as well (2 cases within a year) with replaced (aftermarket) bearings from suppliers who thought that they were better with a bigger clearance for better oil supply and with a coating .
Huge respect for those people for their research and development , but personal I think we need to search in another direction to find the real fix for the S65 worldwide bearing trouble .
I'm sorry..But for the moment I/we can only hope for...
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Well i succumbed to the bearing hysteria and proceeded with changing my bearings. I purchased BE in the first group buy but haven't installed until now. I will have these old bearings in my hands on friday when i pick up the car.

2008 with 71,800 miles:


Replacing with BE + OEM bolts

Doesn't look as bad as some others seen here. But i think there are signs of oil starvation
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      07-07-2016, 03:37 AM   #56
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So my 2008 M3 was a one owner I bought 12 months ago with 69K kms on the clock. In the last 12 months I did one speed event and track day. I changed the oil 10w-60 a total of 4 times over that period and most recently had the oil analysed. Traces of copper and lead showed up but nothing to worry about I was told. The car had never missed a beat or shown any signs, noises of bearing issues. Still with no warranty and not wanting to spend big money on a new engine I decided to invest in some preventative maintenance. I went with the VAC coated bearings because I did not want to wait any longer. I chose to use my local mechanic Galvsport do all the work as they had experience doing this job. They pulled the all the bearings and they showed consistent wear, with a couple of them showing wear thru to the copper. Well worth doing I think. My cost was $2600 parts and labour. The car was back on the road after a couple of days and is running fine. Peace of mind was worth $2600 for me. This work was done back in October 2015 and I have engine oil tested every 5000 kms with no issues at all.



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The guy who changed my bearings is making his living by changing rod bearings to S65 and to S85 motors. He also showed me bearings that had been changed at 35000 miles and they were in really bad shape. My bearings were in quite good condition for 60000 miles.
I dropped you a PM as well, but there might be quite a few fellow Finn's on this board, so could you let us know the shop/person who swapped yours as I've heard from this dude previously but didn't get his contact details. How much was the swap, parts and labor?

I'm considering purchasing a 60k-ish (90tkm) manual M3 and for the peace of mind I'd do this as the first thing.
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I dropped you a PM as well, but there might be quite a few fellow Finn's on this board, so could you let us know the shop/person who swapped yours as I've heard from this dude previously but didn't get his contact details. How much was the swap, parts and labor?

I'm considering purchasing a 60k-ish (90tkm) manual M3 and for the peace of mind I'd do this as the first thing.
Answered your PM and all the details are in there
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Most posts lack info:
Some lack model year- relevant to type of OEM bearings....
Please go back and edit.
Also post your average OCI
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Answered your PM and all the details are in there
Terve Johto, would be interesting to hear how much the bearing change was in Finland mate?

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      07-11-2016, 12:18 AM   #64
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Terve Johto, would be interesting to hear how much the bearing change was in Finland mate?

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Hej Helmsman! Bearing change was about 1800€ (so roughly 17000SEK or 2000$). Approximately 1000€ for the parts and 800€ for the labor.
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Hej Helmsman! Bearing change was about 1800€ (so roughly 17000SEK or 2000$). Approximately 1000€ for the parts and 800€ for the labor.
Wow sounds like a good price Johto! With a 180€ hourly work shop rate over here I'd imaging its twice, at least. A "full" service only is like 1200€..

Anyhow just curious, not planning to do anything anytimw soon.

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