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Don't be stupid.. Get the M3.
My cousin has an RS4 and has had nothing but problems... Not to mention it seems underpowered. I roast him with my E90. -Carl
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I own both - a 2007 RS4 and a 2008 M3 Cab. If the two are in the laneway and I have a choice on a cloudy day (where the convertible won't sway my decision) I will pick the RS 4 everytime - its simply more fun to drive in my opinion. Being in Portland, you get some snow in the winter so slap some snow tires on it an have a blast all year round. M3 is a great car don't get me wrong - I just prefer the RS4...
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LMAO Bobbyd . . . you are a master of unsupported overstatement.
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I own a B7 RS4 and have driven the e92 M3 on several occasions (my colleague and the dealership). To start off, I want to say that I have always loved driving bmws. I loved the e46 M3 as well as my previous car...e46 330 ZHP coupe with manual tranny. I ended up getting the RS4 for several reasons: 1. Exclusivity. In my neighborhood alone, there are 4 M3s that I know of (3 e92s and one e90). In my city and county, there are M3s all over the place. Some my argue that that's a good thing because they are fantastic cars and everybody wants one. That may be true...BUT I still love the fact that RS4s are rarer. I think Audi built less than 1300 of them for both Canada and the US (don't quote me on that ). 2. Wider torque band and better lower end torque. I am not pretending to be a self-proclaimed "expert" on cars as many of you are, but I just feel that the RS4 can take off from any gear that you are in at any speed. You can be going 40 mph in 4th gear...and the car will still take off. You can turn into corners without downshifting and the RS4 can fly out of the corners. Again, this is just my experience. The M3 is torque band doesn't seem as wide. But again, some will argue that that is a good thing b/c it gives you a more "engaging" driving experience; ie, you have to work harder to make sure you are in the "correct" gear. 3. Looks. I know. I know. This is totally subjective. I wanted a saloon, so I had to decide b/t the e90 M3 or the B7 RS4. I just wasn't feeling the looks of the e90 M3. It doesn't look too different from the e90 335. I just loved the wide fenders and wide dual exhaust tips on the RS4. From a far, non-car enthusiasts may not appreciate the racing heritage of the RS4, but up close and personal, the RS4 does look menacing. She may look like an angel on the outside, BUT she is all devil on the inside! Again, I love BMWs. I wouldn't be surprised if I go back to one in the future.I appreciate and marvel at both the M3 and RS4. I just don't understand how true car enthusiasts could truly bash either car...in terms of their performance. Both of these cars would spank most cars out there in their price group. But for now, I am loving my RS4. PS. I do agree with two comments made earlier: 1. Steering "fee" and feedback is definitely better with the M3. The steering feel of the RS4 almost feel too assisted. 2. Exhaust note. From the outside, the RS4 exhaust note sounds beautiful and very aggressive (especially when engaging the "S" mode). From the inside cabin, the M3 exhaust note comes through much better...better growl from inside the cabin. |
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with your choice and rationale. The RS4 is a stunning performer and beautiful car. I loved my RS4, and the cumulative difference between the two cars is essentially a coin-toss in my opinion. Each has its stronger points.
As I've said before, the only reason I went M3 was for the E93, because I really wanted the hard-top convertible. Otherwise, I'd still be in the RS4. Enjoy . . .
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However, I find your comment very strange since the other day I saw an RS4 (blue metallic) in front of me and a grey A4 2.0T with wide 19 inch aftermarket wheels and aside from the slight fender flares at the lights, I could not figure out a single difference between the two cars. They both had dual exhausts, but the RS4 were oval rather than round. I wish I would have taken a picture. The E90 M3 is A LOT different than a 335 sedan since they do not even have the same front end. It is almost impossible to miss the huge power bulge, big fender flare, quad exhausts, side gills and the lower valence of the rear bumper in the E90 M3 is completely different from an E90 335. In short, if you think the E90 M3 does not look much different than a 335, you were most likely looking at two 335 since it is very far from the truth.
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They are absolutely in the same class, but in terms of absolute performance parameters, the M3 does have a very slight edge.
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Though, they are in the same league. Logically, RS4 was supposed to better the E46 M3 while the E90 M3 was created to be superior to the RS4 B7. In a straight line or around a dry race track, M3 does have a substantial advantage and not a slight one. Over 100 mph, the cars are several car lengths apart. RS4 carries its extra 300 lbs weight well due to shorter 1st and 2nd gearing and AWD in 0-60 runs, but the M3 pulls a lot harder over 100 mph. Around a race track, the M3 6 speed has a best laptime of 8:05 vs 8:10.
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I am aware that the M3 has somewhat better numbers, as I said. But, those are also variable depending upon track and conditions. Which track are you quoting those numbers from? I don't put much weight on what the BMW Chief Testing Engineer says. I suppose I could find a similar quote from the Audi Chief Testing Engineer, which I wouldn't put much weight upon either. Do you agree with Jon on the 335xi comment? I am brand-agnostic, and I get annoyed at the biased "fan-boy" comments on various websites, with BMW ones being among the worst.
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I think my comment about Edmunds in the other thread speaks for itself:
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Yep, there is no way 300 lbs. lighter (if that) trumps an extra 120hp, and the Quattro system in the RS4 (rear-biased) is far superior to that found in the 335xi. People who believe what they read (especially in car mags) are rather foolish.
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Agreed.
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wow, did the OP ever decide on a car?
how did a 335i get into this conversation? everything comes down to this...OP SATISFACTION WITH HIS/HER PURCHASED! The end.
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Keep smoking what you're smoking, if that is the reality you prefer. A professional driver in a Mustang GT could easily beat an average driver in an Enzo.
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I feel like I am "blood" (Audi owner) in a pool full of sharks (BMW owners)!
But hey, I expected that coming on here. Again, I am here as a car enthusiast...and not here trying to say that Audis(RS4s) are better than BMWs (M3s). This is actually my first Audi ever, and I have owned 3 bmws prior. |
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Traditionally, GmbH only builds one model at a time, and they are largely hand-built, which helps explain the less than 1500 RS4s that were available in the North American market over the 07-08 model years.
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