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      03-09-2013, 04:06 PM   #45
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      03-11-2013, 12:26 PM   #46
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It has been awhile from the last time I measured the weight of all the individual components in our kits but I had some time this morning so I did. Our VT1 kit has a total weight of about 55 lbs. VT2 kits have an total weight of about 70 lbs without fluid.

We spent a long time in development and continue to spend time looking for ways to reduce the weight of our kits where we can. We have been able to get the weight of the current VT1 manifold down to 19 lbs and the current VT2 manifold to 24 lbs. Last time I measured the stock manifold and air box that are removed the total weight of the parts was about 10-15 lbs if I remember correctly.
Stock manifold and air box weigh 12 lbs so total added weight with the VT1 should be about 45 lbs. That is a little less than I thought, good to know.
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      03-12-2013, 12:50 PM   #47
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The performance and Quality you get from these kits is worth their weight in Gold
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      03-12-2013, 02:25 PM   #48
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This may be..but I am still not a fan of SC. It changes the character of the car and not for the better imo.
clueless! If you drive one you'll eat those words; believe me! but like you said thats your opinion not fact.
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      03-12-2013, 02:57 PM   #49
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clueless! If you drive one you'll eat those words; believe me! but like you said thats your opinion not fact.
What makes you think I haven't?

I have been going to BMW meets since 2008, I had a chance to drive 2 blown M3s..fast as hell no question..but I didnt care for the the artificial feeling you get with a blown engine..plus a host of other reasons which I won't get into.

FYI..just because you like a SC doesnt make it a fact that they are better, your viewpoint is an opinion just the same as mine
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      03-12-2013, 05:13 PM   #50
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How much weight does a supercharger add? Thanks.
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I am not a fan of SC because of this. the s65 is a lightweight engine..to add more rotational mass and heat out weighs the power advatanges.
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Let me guess...you have a SC
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This may be..but I am still not a fan of SC. It changes the character of the car and not for the better imo.
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You SC fanbois crack me up

I did my homework before wasting ten of thousands of dollars and ruining the way the car drives and feels.

Not gonna name drop but there are other members who ran SCs and then removed them because they didn't care for how unbalanced the car felt either.
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What makes you think I haven't?

I have been going to BMW meets since 2008, I had a chance to drive 2 blown M3s..fast as hell no question..but I didnt care for the the artificial feeling you get with a blown engine..plus a host of other reasons which I won't get into.

FYI..just because you like a SC doesnt make it a fact that they are better, your viewpoint is an opinion just the same as mine
OP started this thread with a question of added weight of a supercharger. OP did not ask if people were "fans" of superchargers.
You seem to have a gift for "derailing" threads and making them all about your "opinions".
Your opinion on blowers is extremely important to us and I think it would be better if you started a thread about how you feel about blowers, rather than sharing your "off topic" opinions in this thread.
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I'm actually curious to know if the added ~100lbs to the front of the car (unbalancing the 50/50 weight distribution) would affect the handling characteristics of the car. Or if anyone would really be able to notice the difference.
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I'm actually curious to know if the added ~100lbs to the front of the car (unbalancing the 50/50 weight distribution) would affect the handling characteristics of the car. Or if anyone would really be able to notice the difference.
99% of people would not notice the difference in weight distribution but 100% would feel the power increase. Every time I take someone for a ride they look like this

Just do it.
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I'm actually curious to know if the added ~100lbs to the front of the car (unbalancing the 50/50 weight distribution) would affect the handling characteristics of the car. Or if anyone would really be able to notice the difference.
i would say some can as the weight difference on the track with a full tank of gas or low can be perceived by some. i feel like i can tell but not sure if im just crazy.
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i would say some can as the weight difference on the track with a full tank of gas or low can be perceived by some. i feel like i can tell but not sure if im just crazy.
same for me, but in any case it's all worth it!
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      03-18-2013, 10:22 AM   #55
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I'm actually curious to know if the added ~100lbs to the front of the car (unbalancing the 50/50 weight distribution) would affect the handling characteristics of the car. Or if anyone would really be able to notice the difference.
I have never really noticed the 50-70 lbs our kits add on the track or street in terms of balance.
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      03-18-2013, 09:50 PM   #56
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[/Quote] I have never really noticed the 50-70 lbs our kits add on the track or street in terms of balance.[/QUOTE]

Nothing a nice little suspension upgrade/tweak couldn't fix

...but that's for another discussion
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same for me, but in any case it's all worth it!
im not sc i was refering to feeling the difference in weight due to more or less gas on the track. i was then relating it to a sc that if i can feel it at the rear it should also be felt up front.
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im not sc i was refering to feeling the difference in weight due to more or less gas on the track. i was then relating it to a sc that if i can feel it at the rear it should also be felt up front.
oh I miss readed that, anyway, at first I though I felt a bit of a difference in the balance because of the s/c but never got to try a non s/c m3 after so it's hard to tell!
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90-110 pounds depending on what system you choose. Obviously the power gained will more than make up for the additional weight.
Will the gain in weight offset the handling of the car (50/50 weight distribution)? If so, is there a way to lessen the weight of the front, like carbon fiber hood?
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The hood is already light aluminum. You could run lighter front brakes. Lighter wheels are great but you would have them in the rear as well so no change in FR to RR from them. Coilovers might offer a small savings but the stock front struts are already aluminum bodied. I would not worry about the added weight.
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Will the gain in weight offset the handling of the car (50/50 weight distribution)? If so, is there a way to lessen the weight of the front, like carbon fiber hood?
The coupe is 52/48 with most of its front weight being on the side of the Super charger. Adding more will not only negatively effect the F/R but also L/R side. Unless you're tracking the car you probably won't feel a measurable difference though
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I can attest that on a street driven car the extra weight over the nose is only slightly noticeable. Having owned many high performance cars driven only on the street the pros far exceed the cons. These cars need a little bump in power to be on par with the power cars are making today. I actually passed on a bone stock E92 M3 because I was underwhelmed by the power (flame suit on). This is until I found an even nicer example with everything done (see sig).
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Noob question but can you hear supercharger whine?
Off topic but I don't think it's worth a new thread.
Nope...no more whine. I wanted the whine, but can't get it
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Noob question but can you hear supercharger whine?
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Nope...no more whine. I wanted the whine, but can't get it
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