Water meth injection

[europower]

Question is why are more people not doing it on this motor? Lots of cars use it with great success.. I have the vf650 sc and as soon as my car gets hot, it drops significantly in performance.... from my research higher octane rating and bringing the iat's down with water/ meth should help greatly!

Is there anybody supercharged running it successfully? Do tuners support it? I've been looking at the aquamist kit....

Thanks!

[Mvy]

Some on the forum are using the Vishnu proceed kit. Search by that name and you should be able to find the thread.

I just super charged end of last summer so am curious if I "need" this mod during the GA heat.

[europower]

Originally Posted by Mvy

Some on the forum are using the Vishnu proceed kit. Search by that name and you should be able to find the thread.

I just super charged end of last summer so am curious if I "need" this mod during the GA heat.

Trust me you will want it summer time! I looked at that thread and people were saying that he's blown up some engine's... and not responding anymore...

[pbonsalb]

Aquamist is good. Use for safety and cooling. Don't tune for it. Then minimal risk.

[S65M]

Meth kit comes standard on the Gintani 2.5 kit, I run 100% meth no issues.

[squartus]

Originally Posted by Mvy

Some on the forum are using the Vishnu proceed kit. Search by that name and you should be able to find the thread.

I just super charged end of last summer so am curious if I "need" this mod during the GA heat.

May depend on your kit, but you shouldn't. Ran my ESS vt2-625 for around 2 years in southern MS/TX with zero heat issues. My new stroker/SC engine is running a little warmer bit over middle mark but still zero heat issues.

Tracking would be a different story, but thats across the board with FI on this engine.

[deansbimmer]

The 650 should be running 93 octane anyway... A methanol system would greatly help your heat soak issues. The Proceed PWM system is fantastic. I wouldn't hesitate to run it on a daily driver. Made a huge difference in my old SC M3.

[becausephilchow]

Water/Meth doesn't yield a whole lot on an N/A car. It helps a lot more on an FI car.

I would get it if you live in a warmer area and are S/C. Cooler temps and more power, what's not to like?

[europower]

Originally Posted by squartus

May depend on your kit, but you shouldn't. Ran my ESS vt2-625 for around 2 years in southern MS/TX with zero heat issues. My new stroker/SC engine is running a little warmer bit over middle mark but still zero heat issues.

Tracking would be a different story, but thats across the board with FI on this engine.

It doesn't over heat but it gets hot and you drop a ton of power. Even without the SC on these motors that's a problem from my experience....

Stroker!! How much does that cost if you dont mind me asking? Would not mind going that route one day....

[europower]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

The 650 should be running 93 octane anyway... A methanol system would greatly help your heat soak issues. The Proceed PWM system is fantastic. I wouldn't hesitate to run it on a daily driver. Made a huge difference in my old SC M3.

I've been doing research and there have been claims that they blew up some motors. Their Piggyback system looks great as well, but seems like it never took off... Finally I read that customer service hasnt been the best lately..

I'll try contacting them and see what they say....

[whats77inaname]

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589573

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=620090

[pbonsalb]

I think Vishnu is out of business and the Procede NLA. I have run one on my 08M3 naturally aspirated for 3-4 years and like it. Allows more ignition timing. Have not gone to a dyno yet but maybe this year. I have all the bolt on mods and am curious how close I will get to the magical 400 rwhp SAE Dynojet level. Very very few have broken that level. Many have come close.

[europower]

hmmm... this looks promising! A lot of controversy at this point, but promising....

http://www.advancedfueldynamics.com/products

[pbonsalb]

Some people have simply added 2-3 gallons of E85 to a tank of pump gas. It will raise octane slightly, the ECU is able to adapt, and the car is more likely to hit its timing targets.

[Patrón]

I know a lot of technology has changed since the '90s but it was known as a bandaid to poor tunes. i'd rather stick to e85 or pump tunes. a few cars in town are pretty fast on meth inj but the fastest guys are on tunes by a great tuner and e85 (mostly pro efi systems or aem inf. systems)

[pbonsalb]

The factory BMW M4 CSL uses water injection to make more power than the standard M4.

[deansbimmer]

Originally Posted by Patrón

I know a lot of technology has changed since the '90s but it was known as a bandaid to poor tunes. i'd rather stick to e85 or pump tunes. a few cars in town are pretty fast on meth inj but the fastest guys are on tunes by a great tuner and e85 (mostly pro efi systems or aem inf. systems)

That was the old days. You can have the best tuner in the world tune for 93, but as soon as you introduce methanol he could get a little bit more.

I don't think anyone in this thread has disputed the advantages of E85 and its superior ability to make detonation free power over 93 octane. But until every fueling station in the U.S. has it on tap it's only practical for track/demo cars, or if you live in an area flush with E85 pumps. Heck, I'm in DFW, Texas- this is a huge metroplex of 5 million residents and there are only a handful of E85 pumps in a 100 mile radius.

For most- methanol injection is still the most practical for real world use.

[Patrón]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

The factory BMW M4 CSL uses water injection to make more power than the standard M4.

the video animations of the system are incredible. on a normal m4, the jb4 e85 tune is putting out some serious power. i'm only speaking of around here in south texas, i can drive 15 min to an e85 pump. don't think meth is readily available.


sure do wish sunoco and vp would put up a few stations in the big cities.

edited: is Meth really $22/gal?

[deansbimmer]

Yeah that's about the going rate for 100% methanol, but when I was using it in my old M3 it was a 50/50 mixture with distilled water. I think that's how most systems still use it. A gallon of the mix would last 400 miles in the car. So it's really pretty cheap- I ordered it on Amazon with free shipping.

[SmokinFast]

For what it's worth, I just bought a 5 gal pail of VP M1 for $48.

Originally Posted by Patrón

the video animations of the system are incredible. on a normal m4, the jb4 e85 tune is putting out some serious power. i'm only speaking of around here in south texas, i can drive 15 min to an e85 pump. don't think meth is readily available.


sure do wish sunoco and vp would put up a few stations in the big cities.

edited: is Meth really $22/gal?

[pbonsalb]

Methanol was about $7.50 per gallon a few months ago when I filled one of my cans at the VP dealer at the dragstrip.

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by Patrón

the video animations of the system are incredible. on a normal m4, the jb4 e85 tune is putting out some serious power. i'm only speaking of around here in south texas, i can drive 15 min to an e85 pump. don't think meth is readily available.


sure do wish sunoco and vp would put up a few stations in the big cities.

edited: is Meth really $22/gal?

Yuuuupppp, every HEB on I-35 has E85. I ca also drive 15 mins and get methanol, too

And last time I paid for a gal (methanol), it was ~$15, IIRC.