ESS M3 Supercharger Update

[per]

Originally Posted by Filin M3

Just saw your video on russian bmwclub...

Sorry to tell you, but I beat this RS6 every time by at least 5-7 car lengths from 50 to 270 (see recent video on dragtimes.info) and the same for stroked M6...Was even with one of the tuned porshe (which passed you in the video)...

So... Think over... Maybe the difference is DCT over manual? Or some mistakes.

This is my run against this blue RS6 5 days ago... And also the runs against much-much faster RS6

http://www.dragtimes.info/forum/showthread.php?t=895

I actually did win the first race against him with something similar as one your video, but i was told he had some boostproblem .
But there is another ESS VT-625 with acropovic exhaust racing him today , he will report to me if the result is the same. Then we will know if there is something wrong with my car.

[m33]

Originally Posted by per

I actually did win the first race against him with something similar as one your video, but i was told he had some boostproblem .
But there is another ESS VT-625 with acropovic exhaust racing him today , he will report to me if the result is the same. Then we will know if there is something wrong with my car.

Post up links to the videos if there is any !

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by m33

Post up links to the videos if there is any !

Here you go!

[tightie]

Originally Posted by Per

The M3 is my new car, and it has the ESS VT-625 kit , the dyno that shows 595 whp was
not correct , i will do another dyno this week and i belive i will get 540-550 whp.
But as you see it doesn´t have much torque and when i start at 50km/h i am totally wrong in the powerband 1 st gear to short and 2d gear to long.

And i have 3000 km on the car , still in running in period

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=44

Why do you think the numbers are off? Was something wrong?

[MspiredM3]

Originally Posted by tightie

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=44

Why do you think the numbers are off? Was something wrong?

Why would your new independent dyno show lower Per?

[bigpuna]

Originally Posted by tightie

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=44

Why do you think the numbers are off? Was something wrong?

tightie

I'm sure your sponsor sends you out to start drama in ESS threads and you drag your pet mspired along but maybe you two should spend some time on your car and maybe find out why after months and months of tuning it still is not performing to a level you feel is worth posting or talking about. Until you have some dyno numbers to post up on your car stop questioning ESS customers on theirs

Per could ask you the same question why do you think your numbers are off tightie, is something wrong with your OE tuning or your hardware design ?

[tightie]

Originally Posted by bigpuna

tightie

I'm sure your sponsor sends you out to start drama in ESS threads and you drag your pet mspired along but maybe you two should spend some time on your car and maybe find out why after months and months of tuning it still is not performing to a level you feel is worth posting or talking about. Until you have some dyno numbers to post up on your car stop questioning ESS customers on theirs

Per could ask you the same question why do you think your numbers are off tightie, is something wrong with your OE tuning or your hardware design ?

Sorry you feel that way, that clearly isn't the case here.

I only pointed out what Per stated, and I asked pertinent questions that any enthusiast might ask, I could care less Matt if you approve or not.

My car is a Stage 3 with a built motor, running solid, and the tuning is outstanding so far, but there's still some things to do.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by tightie

I only pointed out what Per stated, and I asked pertinent questions that any enthusiast might ask

I agree. I see nothing wrong with dicussing what the owner of the car said.

There is nothing wrong with what Per said. Bigpuna seems to have a problem though. Correlating dyno performance with street performance is what the FI scene is all about. Seeing what your car does against others, its FUN!

"The M3 is my new car, and it has the ESS VT-625 kit , the dyno that shows 595 whp was not correct , i will do another dyno this week and i belive i will get 540-550 whp. But as you see it doesn´t have much torque and when i start at 50km/h i am totally wrong in the powerband 1 st gear to short and 2d gear to long.

And i have 3000 km on the car , still in running in period"

[per]

I believe the numbers are lower today because of timing adaption, when you increase the load on the motor, the dme is starting to pull timing to avoid knock .
The dynoruns where made directly after the assemble of the kit, and had not adapted to the new load.
But we will se tomorrow, i will do another pull on the same dyno.
Hopefully i am wrong, but if i am right race gas should cure the problem.

[per]

Pencil, there are other things that has effect on timing as temperature and engine load.
But i will post the results, i am a little bit curious

[MspiredM3]

Originally Posted by bigpuna

tightie

I'm sure your sponsor sends you out to start drama in ESS threads and you drag your pet mspired along but maybe you two should spend some time on your car and maybe find out why after months and months of tuning it still is not performing to a level you feel is worth posting or talking about. Until you have some dyno numbers to post up on your car stop questioning ESS customers on theirs

Per could ask you the same question why do you think your numbers are off tightie, is something wrong with your OE tuning or your hardware design ?

I spend plenty of time with my car Going to the track this weekend, want to join?

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by MspiredM3

Why would your new independent dyno show lower Per?

The car is coming back to us to get its follow up inspection now that it has had some miles put on it. It has also had time to do a full adaptation on his fuel so we will be dyno testing it again. Once we get his results we will post up the charts. This is why we rate our kits based on real world performance and on pump fuel and not on the biggest number we can make or have seen made on a dyno.

Per's car made 343 whp SAE before we installed his kit. The VT2-625 is rated to add 50% more power to a stock car. This would put the rated power for Per's car at 515 whp SAE. Anything made above that is a bonus.



To put per's 335 run into perspective this is what that same 335 did to a 500 whp E60 M5 that day. This is no regular 335

Same 335 running per.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

The car is coming back to us to get its follow up inspection now that it has had some miles put on it. It has also had time to do a full adaptation on his fuel so we will be dyno testing it again. Once we get his results we will post up the charts. This is why we rate our kits based on real world performance and on pump fuel and not on the biggest number we can make or have seen made on a dyno.

Per's car made 343 whp SAE before we installed his kit. The VT2-625 is rated to add 50% more power to a stock car. This would put the rated power for Per's car at 515 whp SAE. Anything made above that is a bonus.

To put per's 335 run into perspective this is what that same 335 did to a 500 whp E60 M5 that day. This is no regular 335

Same 335 running per.

Did this M5 make 500whp on the ESS dyno or somewhere else? And is this after it adapted? I'm just kidding!!

They claim 568CHP with all the bolt ons, I doubt it's making that much based on these runs. True BigTom's 335I is one of the healthier one's, no surprise how it did against a bolt on M5 and Per pulled nicely on it I agree.

FWIW with all the bolt on's my car was even 40-125 with a Stage 2 RPI E60 M5, and always ran very close to fully modded JB3 335I's, same as BigTom's, even on race fuel or Meth, BEFORE the charger.

Here's the 2nd run, much closer with the M5, the 335I owner claimed his car was "heat soaked" on this run though.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

Yes I was being very simplified on purpose -- simply to point out that some people believe adaptations increase performance even though it seems to run contrary to common sense. In order to believe that the ECU increases performance with adaptations, a person would have to believe that without adaptations the car would be running more "conservative" -- then the adaptations would cause it to run more "aggressive." That reasoning never made any sense to me.

Did you not see a 30whp difference with race fuel on your car, after you drove through a full tank of 100 octane and it "adapted"?

The ECU adaptations are based on other factors, yes, but octane level has a great effect, it's quite simple, if you run poor fuel the ECU will adapt and pull back, if you run better grade fuel it should adapt the other way, and it will do this on the dyno as well.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

Drew, I'm talking about the guys who are on the boards currently claiming that they will get more horsepower once their ECU adapts to California 91 octane gasoline. Sorry for the confusion.

No problem Bud, who's claiming that!?

[MspiredM3]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Did this M5 make 500whp on the ESS dyno or somewhere else? And is this after it adapted? I'm just kidding!!

Seriously, no offense guys, but this was freakin drop dead hilarious!

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Did this M5 make 500whp on the ESS dyno or somewhere else? And is this after it adapted? I'm just kidding!!

They claim 568CHP with all the bolt ons, I doubt it's making that much based on these runs. True BigTom's 335I is one of the healthier one's, no surprise how it did against a bolt on M5 and Per pulled nicely on it I agree.

FWIW with all the bolt on's my car was even up to 40-125 with a Stage 2 RPI E60 M5, and always ran very close to fully modded JB3 335I's, same as BigTom's, even on race fuel or Meth, BEFORE the charger.

Here's the 2nd run, much closer, with the M5, the 335I owner claimed his car was "heat soaked" on this run though.

Im not going to get into a discussion about different cars in different countries in an attempt to come to some sort of scientific evaluation on performance. The M5 in the video is not ours but I am sure if you do some research you can get the details on it. I’m told it was dyno tested at 500 whp and is one of the fastest NA M5's that runs that event. If you claim otherwise based on information I do not have access to please feel free to share.

I know you are trying to draw some sort of comparison of your kit and how it performs to ours by using our various customers dyno's and video's and comparing them to your personal results but you need to understand for you to accomplish your results you are running a lot more boost than we are and your running race and meth during most of your events. You need to also understand that we have currently over 60 E9X M3 supercharger kits installed around the world. Due to different conditions and different cars dyno numbers and performance results will vary. This is why we are conservative when we rate our power. I would not expect you to understand this because your kit is 1 of 1. The only car running your kit that has produced your results is your car because there is only one in existence. When you have one car in one location your test results will not fluctuate much. When there are 10-20 people running your kit in different regions of the world then we can use all of the independent data collected and have a discussion on reliability, consistency and the overall performance of your kit.

I believe your latest numbers you made 573 whp SAE on 9.8 psi and water / meth and if I read your post correctly you had to make a custom intake to achieve it. These results are good but I would not claim they were made from an off the shelf production kit as you are running 1.3 more psi than a production Gintani stage 2+ kit and a custom made intake. Also you stated that your car made 10-11 psi after you took off your intake. I will tell you that if you are losing 1-2 psi from having your intake installed on your "off the shelf" kit you have a major problem. This would tell me that you have been running a 10-11 psi pulley on the car all this time and you had no idea until you removed the filter. You should make the exact same boost with and without a filter on your kit. I would hope that running a 10-11 psi pulley with meth and race would net you good results.

If you feel the need to continue to compare your kit or any Gintani kit to ours in my thread I can start a new thread and we can have an open technical discussion about the differences between them and we can share results.

Let me know

[DevJ]

Why is there so much tension in this thread?

Roman, as a vendor, you need to chill out. Drew clearly stated he was just kidding.

Great performance from both ESS & Gintani..

No need to bicker and knock on each other's kits.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382564

That's not a Supercharged car, timing adjustments will not affect power as much compared to an FI car in terms of octane or other factors, regardless that car just had mods installed, I'm sure it may adapt to some extent.

I would agree with you that it's not going to make more power than it did, but I doubt it will loose any if they re-dynoed the car a week later. All the tuners and enthusiasts use the term "adapt" rather loosely at times.

[duk]

I don't see where Roman needed to chill out, he's always been stand up and professional

[m33]

nice video's , i love seeing video's , Per don't take this the wrong way & not sure how much of a difference it would have made but you need to work on your shifts ( pratice makes perfic ) .....

And if i can recall correctly didnt the red russian m3 DCT Beat that Black Porsche ??? Different conditions , temps , and fuel quality do make a difference..... either way good runs and keep them comming

[m33]

Originally Posted by DevJ

Why is there so much tension in this thread?

Roman, as a vendor, you need to chill out. Drew clearly stated he was just kidding.

Great performance from both ESS & Gintani..

No need to bicker and knock on each other's kits.

you my man need to take your own advice ( don't instigate ) , he clearly said this is not a thread for this , He responded in a fair professional manor and offered to debat in a different thread..